2/14/10 Manhattan 10-77 All Hands
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Harlem, Manhattan, NY, 2/14/10
Address: 25 W132 st between 5th and Lenox Aves
Phone Box 1538 - Report of smoke in a MD
Engs. 59, 35, 69
L30, TL14
Battalion 12
10-77-1538 - 22:51 hours
Battalion 12: Manhattan, Box 1538, 10-77, attack stair A, apartment 16L, size-up as per CIDs, k.
E80
E37 (CFRD Engine)
E91 (High-Rise Nozzle Co.)
E39 w/ High-Rise 2
L28, L40
TL23 (FAST Truck)
Battalions 16, 11, Rescue, Safety
Battalion 13 (Safety Officer)
Rescue 3
Squad 41
FieldCom
Division 6
CIDS for 25 W132 st:
MD 16 story 50x100 class 1. No 13th floor. Not all apartments have balconies. Siamese on exposure 4.
22:53 hours
BC12: Box 1537, the 10-77, it's a Collyer's Mansion.
22:57 hours
BC12: We have 1 line in operation, primaries are being conducted, roof units have vented.
22:58 hours - Duration 14 minutes
BC12: 10-45, no code, and evacuation stairway B.
7-5-1538 - 22:59 hours - Duration 15 minutes
BC12: Box 1538, we'll go with the All-Hands.
RAC1
Exposures are:
1 - courtyard
2 - similar
3 - parking lot
4 - street
23:00 hours
BC12: Box 1538, we evacuated the 10-45 to the 15th floor.
23:02 hours - Duration 18 minutes
BC12: Box 1538, the CFRD Engine, E37, is heading up to the 15th floor for the 10-45. All visible fire has been knocked down, primary searches are still in progress. We'll go with a Doubtful.
23:03 hours - Duration 19 minutes
BC12: On the 10-77, primaries are negative, k.
23:04 hours
BC12: Primaries negative except for the 10-45 no code, k.
23:06 hours - Duration 22 minutes
BC12: EMS is on scene. Primaries are negative except the 10-45, secondaries in progress.
23:11 hours
E93 is 10-8 in E69's response area
23:14 hours - Duration 35 minutes
Division 6: Probably Will Hold at Box 1538, and it's a 10-45 code 1 (Black Tag, Deceased).
23:15 hours
TL21 is 10-8 in L40's response area
23:16 hours
DC6: You can return FieldCom, Rescue Battalion, and Safety Battalion.
23:19 hours - Duration 35 minutes
DC6: Fire's Under Control, Division 6 will be 10-8.
Address: 25 W132 st between 5th and Lenox Aves
Phone Box 1538 - Report of smoke in a MD
Engs. 59, 35, 69
L30, TL14
Battalion 12
10-77-1538 - 22:51 hours
Battalion 12: Manhattan, Box 1538, 10-77, attack stair A, apartment 16L, size-up as per CIDs, k.
E80
E37 (CFRD Engine)
E91 (High-Rise Nozzle Co.)
E39 w/ High-Rise 2
L28, L40
TL23 (FAST Truck)
Battalions 16, 11, Rescue, Safety
Battalion 13 (Safety Officer)
Rescue 3
Squad 41
FieldCom
Division 6
CIDS for 25 W132 st:
MD 16 story 50x100 class 1. No 13th floor. Not all apartments have balconies. Siamese on exposure 4.
22:53 hours
BC12: Box 1537, the 10-77, it's a Collyer's Mansion.
22:57 hours
BC12: We have 1 line in operation, primaries are being conducted, roof units have vented.
22:58 hours - Duration 14 minutes
BC12: 10-45, no code, and evacuation stairway B.
7-5-1538 - 22:59 hours - Duration 15 minutes
BC12: Box 1538, we'll go with the All-Hands.
RAC1
Exposures are:
1 - courtyard
2 - similar
3 - parking lot
4 - street
23:00 hours
BC12: Box 1538, we evacuated the 10-45 to the 15th floor.
23:02 hours - Duration 18 minutes
BC12: Box 1538, the CFRD Engine, E37, is heading up to the 15th floor for the 10-45. All visible fire has been knocked down, primary searches are still in progress. We'll go with a Doubtful.
23:03 hours - Duration 19 minutes
BC12: On the 10-77, primaries are negative, k.
23:04 hours
BC12: Primaries negative except for the 10-45 no code, k.
23:06 hours - Duration 22 minutes
BC12: EMS is on scene. Primaries are negative except the 10-45, secondaries in progress.
23:11 hours
E93 is 10-8 in E69's response area
23:14 hours - Duration 35 minutes
Division 6: Probably Will Hold at Box 1538, and it's a 10-45 code 1 (Black Tag, Deceased).
23:15 hours
TL21 is 10-8 in L40's response area
23:16 hours
DC6: You can return FieldCom, Rescue Battalion, and Safety Battalion.
23:19 hours - Duration 35 minutes
DC6: Fire's Under Control, Division 6 will be 10-8.
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Interesting, TL21 relocated to H&L40 where there used to be a sign on the their door: "NO TOWER LADDERS" ;D ;D ;D
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I found a 50 year old assignment card. Notice L40 on the 5th alarm after L26 & L17 even though their Hancock Pl. firehouse was closer than the one they're in today. L26 was still a double company back in 1959 so their 2nd section covered them while neighboring L43 was out acting L14. 
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just missed this lol...i wrote it down on the first dispatch and then turned it off...i didnt get a txt bout it thought? i wonder why
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That was more than 50 years ago in 1959, a lot has changed.mack said:
It struck me that some boxes had 3 or 4 engines, a rescue, a squad, 2 BCs and a DC assigned on the first alarm back then. Some had 3 engines, 2 trucks and a BC. I know location and area of the city were factors. But it also seemed that assigned responses appeared to be random.
It also adds to the difficulty of comparing an all-hands fire today with an all-hands fire 40 or 50 years ago. Today's all hands might have been 2nd alarms when comparing the number of units at an incident. Also, no FAST truck, squads companies different function, no safety/staging/rescue chiefs etc. Units were relieved differently. Masks frequently not used. Etc.
You are right - things have changed in 50 years.
It also adds to the difficulty of comparing an all-hands fire today with an all-hands fire 40 or 50 years ago. Today's all hands might have been 2nd alarms when comparing the number of units at an incident. Also, no FAST truck, squads companies different function, no safety/staging/rescue chiefs etc. Units were relieved differently. Masks frequently not used. Etc.
You are right - things have changed in 50 years.
Guitarman - here's a question based on the old assignment card system. At a multiple alarm fire, why wouldn't relocated companies on a 2nd alarm respond to the fire before a more distant 3rd, 4th or 5th alarm unit? I know units enroute to relocation could be redirected and sometimes were. But it seems to be inherently slower and inefficient to have a system where a closer available relocated unit "covered" a response area while the fire scene waited for a needed company which was responding from a further distance.
The old FDNY assignment card system was done in the days before radio contact was not possble once a unit left for relocation. I have seen assignment cards for other cities and it appears that units which relocated to cover houses vacated by operating first alarm companies were the responding companies for the 2nd alarm, if it was transmitted. ( example of a current card - http://www.massmetrofire.org/images/DedhamCard.jpg )
The old FDNY assignment card system was done in the days before radio contact was not possble once a unit left for relocation. I have seen assignment cards for other cities and it appears that units which relocated to cover houses vacated by operating first alarm companies were the responding companies for the 2nd alarm, if it was transmitted. ( example of a current card - http://www.massmetrofire.org/images/DedhamCard.jpg )
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The old FDNY system had that fault although I have some older 1930's vintage cards that had "move-ups where a company relocated on the 2nd or 3rd alarm and then responded into the fire on the 4th or 5th. Also there were companies that relocated and then another company relocated in to their quarters so a relocator didn't have to travel so far. In the early 50's there were boxes in the outer boros with ladder companies only up to the 3rd alarm. I'll post some examples in the 'History' section tonight.