3/16/2015 Staten Island 4th Alarm Box 3732
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enginecap said:
There were a couple of jobs just after 168 opened that made an officer's and FF's front piece look like they had been in the "war years."
I believe those pictures show E168 waiting on water in a 2 1/2" line. This was after they already pushed in earlier but the 1 st floor collapsed into basement.
Luckily no one was killed. I think the Nozzle and back up got some minor burns as the fire rapidly extended through collapsed floor.
These are garbage lightweight buildings. To make matters worse the exterior siding is T-111 panels.
Luckily no one was killed. I think the Nozzle and back up got some minor burns as the fire rapidly extended through collapsed floor.
These are garbage lightweight buildings. To make matters worse the exterior siding is T-111 panels.
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bf231 said:
Yes it was 168's Capt. and 2 Firefighters shown with the line operating ifo the building.
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I found the mobilization of apparatus for this fire to be stunning.
In addition to the units who responded to the scene, here is a listing of relocators.
A second wave of relocators were sent after the change of tours.
(Some units ended up responding to the scene, others relocated during both the 9x6 and the 6x9 tours.)
Staten Island relocated to Staten Island:
E-153 act. E-167
E-166 act. E-151
TL-79 act. TL-76
Brooklyn relocated to Staten Island:
E-201 act. E-168
E-241 act. E-166
E-254 act. E-165
E-281 act. E-?
E-247 act. E-158
E-253 act. E-163
E-239 act. E-156
E-330 act. E-161
E-202 act. E-153
E-309 act. E-160
E-254 act. E-159
E-210 act. E-154
L-169 act. L-84
L-148 act. L-83
TL-131 act. TL-85
TL-172 act. TL-79
TL-149 act. TL-86
TL-159 act. TL-85
B-43 act. B-23
B-41 act. B-21
B-48 act. B-23
B-33 act. B-22
Brooklyn relocated to Brooklyn:
E-214 act. E-281
E-255 act. E-253
E-222 act. E-255
L-176 act. TL-172
L-102 act. L-148
TL-170 act. TL-159
B-35 act. B-48
B-39 act. B-33
Manhattan relocated to Staten Island:
E-10 act. E-152
E-55 act. E-?
B-1 act. B-22
Queens relocated to Brooklyn:
B-54 act. B-42
*This is not a comprehensive list, just the companies that I heard.
In addition to the units who responded to the scene, here is a listing of relocators.
A second wave of relocators were sent after the change of tours.
(Some units ended up responding to the scene, others relocated during both the 9x6 and the 6x9 tours.)
Staten Island relocated to Staten Island:
E-153 act. E-167
E-166 act. E-151
TL-79 act. TL-76
Brooklyn relocated to Staten Island:
E-201 act. E-168
E-241 act. E-166
E-254 act. E-165
E-281 act. E-?
E-247 act. E-158
E-253 act. E-163
E-239 act. E-156
E-330 act. E-161
E-202 act. E-153
E-309 act. E-160
E-254 act. E-159
E-210 act. E-154
L-169 act. L-84
L-148 act. L-83
TL-131 act. TL-85
TL-172 act. TL-79
TL-149 act. TL-86
TL-159 act. TL-85
B-43 act. B-23
B-41 act. B-21
B-48 act. B-23
B-33 act. B-22
Brooklyn relocated to Brooklyn:
E-214 act. E-281
E-255 act. E-253
E-222 act. E-255
L-176 act. TL-172
L-102 act. L-148
TL-170 act. TL-159
B-35 act. B-48
B-39 act. B-33
Manhattan relocated to Staten Island:
E-10 act. E-152
E-55 act. E-?
B-1 act. B-22
Queens relocated to Brooklyn:
B-54 act. B-42
*This is not a comprehensive list, just the companies that I heard.
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T1-11 siding panels come in two types . . . plywood and OSB (strand board, chip board, flake board), with OSB being the cheaper of the two and therefore, most likely what was used in these types of buildings. It was originally designed to give a "wood look" without the cost of wood siding. The down side is that it cannot be stained, but must be painted. As for fire rating, it basically stinks. See this article:
http://sfm.dps.louisiana.gov/doc_flamespread.html
http://sfm.dps.louisiana.gov/doc_flamespread.html
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Manhattan: T-111 are plywood panels used for siding on buildings. they are not fire proof rated. Just more lumber to fuel the fire
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T-111
T-111 siding is a wood based siding product that reached its height of popularity in the 60?s, 70?s and early 80?s, when a more natural, wood-grained look was popular. Its widespread use has dwindled as other siding materials, including steel, aluminum, composite, and vinyl siding have taken over the siding market. It is still produced though but is typically used for shed and barn projects.
Said to be the most environmentally friendly of siding products T-111 siding comes in two types. The first type is known as the T-111 plywood siding and the other is known as Oriented Strand board (OSB). T-111 plywood siding is more expensive than the wafer board sidings or OSB sidings.
So How Is It Made?
Quite simply, T-111 is made from engineered wood (wood products and other materials pressed together), and is a type of plywood siding that comes as T-111 wood siding, or T-111 cedar siding.
So What Is The Problem?
The maintenance of T-111 siding is very important as it has to be protected against water, sunlight, and heat. Painting or sealing is mandatory and must be repeated every few years. T-111 siding is strong and does have a long life as compared to other sidings. However, it is thought of as cheap in the building community, is considered a barn material, and has been shown to have a high moisture absorption rate on the edges after being applied.
T-111 siding is a wood based siding product that reached its height of popularity in the 60?s, 70?s and early 80?s, when a more natural, wood-grained look was popular. Its widespread use has dwindled as other siding materials, including steel, aluminum, composite, and vinyl siding have taken over the siding market. It is still produced though but is typically used for shed and barn projects.
Said to be the most environmentally friendly of siding products T-111 siding comes in two types. The first type is known as the T-111 plywood siding and the other is known as Oriented Strand board (OSB). T-111 plywood siding is more expensive than the wafer board sidings or OSB sidings.
So How Is It Made?
Quite simply, T-111 is made from engineered wood (wood products and other materials pressed together), and is a type of plywood siding that comes as T-111 wood siding, or T-111 cedar siding.
So What Is The Problem?
The maintenance of T-111 siding is very important as it has to be protected against water, sunlight, and heat. Painting or sealing is mandatory and must be repeated every few years. T-111 siding is strong and does have a long life as compared to other sidings. However, it is thought of as cheap in the building community, is considered a barn material, and has been shown to have a high moisture absorption rate on the edges after being applied.
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Shots by yours truly:
Thanks, fellas. I guess we'll start seeing T-111 on the new ultra-high rises here in Manhattan once the developers realize it might be cheaper than glass-and-steel facades and will be a novelty to draw in fools willing to pay millions for a hole-in-the-sky. Don't laugh - you never know!!
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newyorkbravest82: Great job with the camera and thanks for the pictures. Manhattan, if you look at picture number 9 you can get a idea of what T-111 looks like.
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Nice pics 82...
About the job back in 2005 that caused Engine 168 to be opened and staffed...it was a 3rd alarm, the 3 alarms were transmitted within 30 mins of the 10-75. SI had received numerous calls for a fully involved condo @ 102 Hampton Place. Fire had started in the 2 story 20x40 townhouse and spread to exposures 2 & 4. Upon arrival (Engine 164 first due before Engine 168), the 10-75 was transmitted. 164 had a nice run with first due Ladder 84. Other companies had even longer 2nd and 3rd due runs. The 10-75 was transmitted for box 3732 . (Same box # as this job).
Due to the light weight construction, a collapse occurred early into the fire, units backed out and performed an exterior attack. 14 FF injured in the job and 5 handlines operated. 2 TL's were in operation as well.
Info is from FireRescue1.com
About the job back in 2005 that caused Engine 168 to be opened and staffed...it was a 3rd alarm, the 3 alarms were transmitted within 30 mins of the 10-75. SI had received numerous calls for a fully involved condo @ 102 Hampton Place. Fire had started in the 2 story 20x40 townhouse and spread to exposures 2 & 4. Upon arrival (Engine 164 first due before Engine 168), the 10-75 was transmitted. 164 had a nice run with first due Ladder 84. Other companies had even longer 2nd and 3rd due runs. The 10-75 was transmitted for box 3732 . (Same box # as this job).
Due to the light weight construction, a collapse occurred early into the fire, units backed out and performed an exterior attack. 14 FF injured in the job and 5 handlines operated. 2 TL's were in operation as well.
Info is from FireRescue1.com
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Cause of this fire looks to be from the clothes dryer in basement
enginecap said:
HEY ENGINECAP...... THATS A BALLSY THING TO SAY. YOU CAN HAVE A PUNISHING JOB IN THE ENGINE BEHIND THE WATER AND YOUR HELMET DOESN'T DARKEN, OR HAVE A SHITTY SMOKY ONE ROOM MATTRESS FIRE AND HAVE YOUR HELMET LOOK LIKE YOU PUT OUT 4 ROOMS....
THERE ARE PLENTY OF COMPANIES OUT THERE GETTING ALOT OF WORK AND PLENTY GETTING A SMALL SHARE, BUT DON'T GENERALIZE A WHOLE BORO WITH PLENTY OF GREAT FIREMAN SAYING THEIR HELMETS MUST BE CLEAN BECAUSE THEY WORK ON SI
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understood and i thought about it before i said it. I've been around a long time and worked in all boroughs...to see two guys from the same company on the line together , both with obliterated helmets and front pieces is unusual....especially these days with "mandatory helmet exchange".....and it's even more unusual in the slower areas of the city. I thought they may have been from Squad 1....if those guys are from Huguenot then i take my hat off to them.