7/25/13 Staten Island 10-75 Box 3690

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Address: 418 Eltingville Blvd

Fires in a MD

E-167 with the 10-75

B-23 Fires on the 1st Floor Extra 1&1 1 L/S/O 2nd being streched

10-75
E-165,168s/c
L-82(Fast),85s/c
B-21
R-5
Sq-1
D-8
Rac-5

Engine 167 Ladder 87 First Due
 
Yes it has been busy on the south shore lately

Probably: E 167, E 162, E 164, E 165
              TL 87, L 84, L 82F
              R5, Sq. 1
              Bn. 23, 21
              E 168 S/C
              TL 85 S/C
 
If this box came in in 1959, response would have been on a pulled box:

E 162, E 164, L 82, L 84, Bn 23  (maybe 164/84 beats 162/82 in)

All hands would have added E 151 or E 159, Rescue 5 (manned by L78), Bn 22, Division 8

Extra truck would have been L 81 (in Dongan Hills) or L 76 (Tottenville)

No E 165, E 167, E 168, L 85, L 87, FAST truck or Squad 1 response to SI

No VN bridge.  No TLs.  Long, long runs. 

E164/L84 response area ran from Tottenville to Arthur Kill Rd/Richmond Ave.
 
mack said:
If this box came in in 1959, response would have been on a pulled box:

E 162, E 164, L 82, L 84, Bn 23  (maybe 164/84 beats 162/82 in)

All hands would have added E 151 or E 159, Rescue 5 (manned by L78), Bn 22, Division 8

Extra truck would have been L 81 (in Dongan Hills) or L 76 (Tottenville)

No E 165, E 167, E 168, L 85, L 87, FAST truck or Squad 1 response to SI

No VN bridge.  No TLs.  Long, long runs. 

E164/L84 response area ran from Tottenville to Arthur Kill Rd/Richmond Ave.

Thanks Mack - very interesting.
 
mack said:
If this box came in in 1959, response would have been on a pulled box:

E 162, E 164, L 82, L 84, Bn 23  (maybe 164/84 beats 162/82 in)

All hands would have added E 151 or E 159, Rescue 5 (manned by L78), Bn 22, Division 8

Extra truck would have been L 81 (in Dongan Hills) or L 76 (Tottenville)

No E 165, E 167, E 168, L 85, L 87, FAST truck or Squad 1 response to SI

No VN bridge.  No TLs.  Long, long runs. 

E164/L84 response area ran from Tottenville to Arthur Kill Rd/Richmond Ave.
I believe L82 was still running with a 1951 Ward LaFrance Quad with no aerial ladder. The rest of Staten Island's ladder apparatus were older wood rigs except L80 with a 1953 ALF 85 ft. tiller. The next metal aerial on S.I. would come in 1960 with L77 getting a brand new 1960 Mack C/Maxim. In 1959 most S.I. engines ran as two piece engine co's. with a pumper as a wagon so relay (in-line) pumping was done often. Relocating companies came from Lower Manhattan through N.J. via the Holland Tunnel.
 
L84 was covering the entire South Shore of SI with a 1955 FWD wooden tiller.  As 2nd due truck, runs to Tottenville or Charleston were 5 miles on the old Drumgoole Blvd, Amboy Rd, Hylan Blvd or Arthur Kill Rd.  If they were in Tottenville, they could pick up a first due box maybe 8 or 9 miles away along the slow, pot-holed streets.  South Shore of SI had miles of undeveloped woodland.  The federal government had workers (the CCC - Civilian Conservation Corps) cut gridiron roads thru a lot of the South Shore, Huguenot thru Tottenville, maybe more.  There were dirt roads and sidewalks, in some areas, just concrete sidewalks.  FDNY had "dummy boxes" assigned.  You could get 3 or 4 different boxes for a brush fire or car fire.  There were no hydrants.  No street signs.  There were small groups of houses all thru the area, so any brush fire had occupied exposures.  The beach areas from Tottenville to Rossville (and up to the Port Richmond) had derelict barges and boats.  Kids would walk out on low tide and set barges on fire - often.  Always good for an all hands.  Dispatchers kept Huguenot and Tottenville firehouses filled with relocating companies because of large, distant response area to cover.  No good maps, always new construction. As GMan said, all engine companies had 2 pieces.  Long, long stretches.  During busy brush seasons in spring and fall, 2nd sections were manned with OT and became 2nd section of companies.  Rescue 5 was located with E155 and L78.  L78 was manned with 7 FFs, every shift.  They responded as ladder truck in response area.  They kept a guy back with old shop-converted Ward LaFrance hose wagon converted rescue rig.  If a rescue run (multiple alarm or special call) came in, guy who stayed back would drive rescue rig to fire, pick up L78 crew, and they became Rescue 5.  Another truck replaced them at the original fire.  They clipped a rescue shield over their L78 helmet front piece responding as the rescue.  L 78 did not respond out of their response area while they had double-duty as Rescue 5.  SI changed greatly in the 1960s with VN Bridge, R 5 disbanded, new firehouses, new dispatcher building, Voice Alarm system, highways built, new schools, new developments, SI mall, new movie theaters.  Goodbye - Al Deppes, Weissglass Stadium stock car racing, SI airport, SI Farmers' Market, Empire movie theater, Augustinian Academy HS, St Louis Academy HS, Mt Lorretto Orphanage, St Michael's Home, breweries, farms, Drumgoole Blvd, Wetson's Hamburger chain, Clove Lake Stables, Bayonne Ferry, Tottenville Ferry, 69th St Ferry to Booklyn, Surf Club South Beach, Tavern on the Green New Dorp, Weissglass milk deliveries, Holterman bakery deliveries, SI public pools, Tompkinsville Pier basketball courts, SI Hospital.    But multiple alarm brush fires at Great Kills park existed then and remain today.
 
Thanks Mack, very informative on about the old island. Things sounded so different back then, yet the same today. Those multi-alarm brush fires are a perfect example, every year we get a few in great kills park. Only a few years ago they had a 6 - alarmer on Easter Sunday. And about L 84, looks like they've always had a large responce area. Today, they respond to almost everywhere on the south shore for the most part, either first or second due. The south shore companies all have extensive response areas, then again that's most of Staten Island's companies.
 
Bronx Engine 41 often responded "Mutual Aid" to Staten Island boxes. It was on their big board over the housewatch desk. ;)
 
guitarman314 said:
mack said:
If this box came in in 1959, response would have been on a pulled box:

E 162, E 164, L 82, L 84, Bn 23  (maybe 164/84 beats 162/82 in)

All hands would have added E 151 or E 159, Rescue 5 (manned by L78), Bn 22, Division 8

Extra truck would have been L 81 (in Dongan Hills) or L 76 (Tottenville)

No E 165, E 167, E 168, L 85, L 87, FAST truck or Squad 1 response to SI

No VN bridge.  No TLs.  Long, long runs. 

E164/L84 response area ran from Tottenville to Arthur Kill Rd/Richmond Ave.
I believe L82 was still running with a 1951 Ward LaFrance Quad with no aerial ladder. The rest of Staten Island's ladder apparatus were older wood rigs except L80 with a 1953 ALF 85 ft. tiller. The next metal aerial on S.I. would come in 1960 with L77 getting a brand new 1960 Mack C/Maxim. In 1959 most S.I. engines ran as two piece engine co's. with a pumper as a wagon so relay (in-line) pumping was done often. Relocating companies came from Lower Manhattan through N.J. via the Holland Tunnel.


I saw Manhattan companies relocating to SI via the Staten Island Ferry many years ago
 
Thank You, KFD...
I was Trying to Remember...I thought i'd heard Years Ago, Instructions for Manh. Co.'s to Relocate
to S.I. via Ferry, and  i wasn't Certain so, i didn't 'say anything.
Thanks Again, for validating my Memories of Years Gone Bye. staj  ;)
 
Manhattan companies relocated both thru NJ and on SI Ferry.  Bklyn companies used 69th St Ferry.
 
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