7/7/26 Manhattan Collapse Box 790

Signal73

Signal73

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Location: 235 East 42 St

Phone Alarm reporting bricks from the building.

CIDS:
Office Building 34 Story 75 X 100 Class 1
Interconnected with 219 East 42 St on Mezzanine on floors 8 & 9
Stair B is the Fire Tower
Access Stairs floors 5-6, 11-12. 15-16, 22-23
See Engineer for Pump Access

B-8 to MD we are getting reports that 2 columns buckled on the 21st floor

MD All Units Stage & East 42 & 3rd Ave

B-8 Start out the major technical response

B-8 we have L-2 Sq-18 & R-1 assessing the situation on the 21st & 22nd floor

R-4 & Sq-288 on your frequency

B-8 s/c a Battalion Chief

B-8 we have a 34 story 75 X 100 Under Construction. We have columns partially collapse on floors 21 & 22. We have floors sagging on floors 21-26

B-8 we are changing the staging to 2nd Ave & East 42nd St

B-8 You can transmit the All Hands on this @08:29

B-8 we are going to use the 38 story

FC per D-3 limited units are operating in the building. Operating on floors 21-26. DWH @08:45

FC per D-3 Searches are complete in the effected building. Evacuating surround buildings 225 & 231 East 42 St. DWH @08:56

FC s/c 2 additional truck companies @08:56

FC have 18 & 30 truck meet the 1-0 Battalion at East 43 & 2nd Ave

FC s/c 2 more trucks @09:05

FC s/c 2 more Truck Companies & 2 Battalion Chiefs @09:14

R-4 we are 10-8 going back to Queens @09:32

FC per Car-13A in 231-235 East 42 St searches are complete & negative. All workers are out of those buildings and accounted for. All members have been removed for the building. DWH @09:33

FC per Car-13A Still in the processes of evacuating building on East 43rd St. DWH @09:50

FC s/c a truck to relieve the Fast Truck @09:55

E-21,65,8,16,54
E-44 w/ 2nd Piece
L-2,7,4(Fast),3
L-30 Act. 2s/c,18 Act. 7s/c
L-24s/c,8Act. 24s/c
L-115 Act. 7s/c,21s/c
L-136 act. 2(Fast)s/c
L-25 w/ R.C 1
B-8,10s/c,6s/c,9s/c
R-1,4
Sq-18
Sq-288 w/ 2nd Piece
D-3
Rac-1
RB,SB-2
FC
Tac-1
CTU-1
HM-1
HMB
K9-01
Soc Logistics
Soc Compressor
Car-13A(DAC of Fire Prevention)
Car-11(Chief of SOC)
Car-11A(Chief of Rescue Ops)
Car-12(Chief of Safety & Inspectional Services Command)

Relocations:
Squad 41 to Squad 18
Engine 259 act. Engine 21
Engine 28 act. Engine 65
Engine 91 Act. Engine 8
Ladder 8 Act. Ladder 4
Ladder 34 Act. Ladder 4
Ladder 30 Act. Ladder 2
Ladder 136 Act. Ladder 2
Ladder 18 Act. Ladder 7
Ladder 115 Act. Ladder 7
Ladder 54 Act. Ladder 7
Ladder 131 Act. Ladder 9
Ladder 109 Act. Ladder 24
 
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Buckled columns with 10 stories above, and sagging floors from 22-26. I would hope those SOC brothers were quickly removed in favor of surviellance by drones instead. They moved staging back an additional block for safety, but had three companies with no actual engineering expertise inspecting floors? I'm looking at risk vs. reward and the lives of about 20 brothers being played with. Am I being overcautious?
 
seniorofficer said:
Buckled columns with 10 stories above, and sagging floors from 22-26. I would hope those SOC brothers were quickly removed in favor of surviellance by drones instead. They moved staging back an additional block for safety, but had three companies with no actual engineering expertise inspecting floors? I'm looking at risk vs. reward and the lives of about 20 brothers being played with. Am I being overcautious?
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1000%. Very low frequency. Very high risk.
 
seniorofficer said:
Buckled columns with 10 stories above, and sagging floors from 22-26. I would hope those SOC brothers were quickly removed in favor of surviellance by drones instead. They moved staging back an additional block for safety, but had three companies with no actual engineering expertise inspecting floors? I'm looking at risk vs. reward and the lives of about 20 brothers being played with. Am I being overcautious?
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Pardon my ignorance but does a drone flying inside a building give the same answers they’re looking for compared to humans inspecting? Generally curious. I think it sounds the same as a “surround and drown” operation of a vacant but in this case maybe brief inspections by SOC before seeing how serious this is was necessary? Either way, you’re more experienced than I would be and it makes for good discussion.
 
seniorofficer said:
Buckled columns with 10 stories above, and sagging floors from 22-26. I would hope those SOC brothers were quickly removed in favor of surviellance by drones instead. They moved staging back an additional block for safety, but had three companies with no actual engineering expertise inspecting floors? I'm looking at risk vs. reward and the lives of about 20 brothers being played with. Am I being overcautious?
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Drones can't do rapid interior searches or easily assess the intricacies of a building the way a person can. It's a big position to take to discredit the experience within the SOC companies and SOC chiefs that they can't make an assessment for their own safety or make a basic appraisal of the interior conditions for an engineer to review. They don't have an engineer inspecting the floors when they are crawling through a pancaked structure or tunnelling through rubble. The brothers volunteer to work in these companies knowing the risk it brings, that's why SOC exists.
 
FDNYSTATENISLAND said:
Pardon my ignorance but does a drone flying inside a building give the same answers they’re looking for compared to humans inspecting? Generally curious. I think it sounds the same as a “surround and drown” operation of a vacant but in this case maybe brief inspections by SOC before seeing how serious this is was necessary? Either way, you’re more experienced than I would be and it makes for good discussion.
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I think the initial use of drones would be better to evaluate whether or not it was safe enough to put even one member on those floors to evaluate the situation. Worst case scenario - I'd rather chance losing two or three $50,000 drones than ONE member if even a partial collapse would occur.
 
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