8/27/95 The St. George Hotel Fire

[Darrell]

The St. George Hotel Fire

(most info from fdnewyork.com) (if theres already a thread on this someone mind letting me know)

The Brooklyn Central Office got the Alarm at 0331 hours.
Within 47 minutes of the 10-75, the Sence was at 5 Alarms, due to 51 Clark St, 80 Pineapple St. and 11 Hicks St, there we're 3 sperate Command Posts. One for each bulding, though all fires we're under Box 0077. (77 - 55 for Clark St, 77 - 22 for Pineapple St, and 77 - 33 for Hicks St)

Rundown for 77-55
0333 BOX TRANSMITTED E224 E207 E226 L118 L110 BC31
0344 10-75 E204 BC35 SQ01
0356 7-5 L101 DC06 RS02
0401 S/C L119
0403 2-2 E205 E219 E211 E279 L131 BC57
E210 MW01 E009 ST01 E284 ST03
FC01
0405 S/C L105
0406 3-3 E239 E209 E221 E216 L108 MK01 AM02 TS01
0408 S/C E220 BC32 BC01 (BC01 replaces BC57,OOS)
0411 S/C L009
0411 4-4 E202 E235 E280 E230 L105 DC01
0416 S/C SB02
0419 5-5 E212 E006 E004 E010 L015
0420 S/C DC07
0424 S/C RS01
0434 S/C L102
0437 S/C BC38
0445 S/C RS03 L104 L132
0451 S/C BC06 BC44
0506 S/C E005 E229 E015 L146 L122 BC57
0519 S/C E217 E055 E238 L035
0528 S/C E214 E240 E249 L018 L005
0650 PROBABLY WILL HOLD
0705 UNDER CONTROL

Rundown for 77-22
0449 BOX TRANSMITTED E222 E281 E278 L001 L149 BC48
0449 2-2 E227 E332 E252 E021 E330 L147
L012 L010
0622 S/C E245
0623 S/C BC45
0650 PROBABLY WILL HOLD
0709 UNDER CONTROL

Rundown for 77 - 33
0504 BOX TRANSMITTED E283 E242 E318 L176 L114 BC45
0507 S/C BC04
0509 S/C BC44
0510 2-2 E258 E033 E246 E237 E231 L106 L008 L006
0513 S/C DC05
0516 S/C RS05
0522 3-3 E293 E054 E024 E028 L147 BC21 BC28
0559 S/C L138 L127 L158 L135
0601 S/C E167 E163 E026
0640 S/C BC50 BC42
0641 S/C L103 L111 L043
0650 PROBABLY WILL HOLD
0705 UNDER CONTROL

 

[Signal73]

St. George Hotel Fire 8/1995

Always been interested in this fire. Any stories from members of this site who know about it or were there? 16 alarms on tiny BK Heights streets. I recently found out that normally first due E205 was assigned on the 2nd alarm (maybe initially unavailable), accompanying L118 was still first due...

www.nycfire.net

 

[johnd248]

Your rundown shows Divisions 5,6,and 7 responding and no mention of any Brooklyn Divisions: 11, 1t, possibly 12. I believe the oriiginal box number would be in the 400 range (462) or in the 8000 range as a special building box. L 105 is mentioned twice at different times. Also interesting how many companies that responded have since been disbanded.

 

[tperez102]

U.S.F.A. Technical Report on this Incident. Pretty good read extensive. https://www.interfire.org/res_file/pdf/Tr-108.pdf

 

[Darrell]

Your rundown shows Divisions 5,6,and 7 responding and no mention of any Brooklyn Divisions: 11, 1t, possibly 12. I believe the oriiginal box number would be in the 400 range (462) or in the 8000 range as a special building box. L 105 is mentioned twice at different times. Also interesting how many companies that responded have since been disbanded.

It was a Copy and paste, and I have very little knowledge of Brooklyn Appratus. And which rundown? Theres 3 of em

 

[fdhistorian]

Your rundown shows Divisions 5,6,and 7 responding and no mention of any Brooklyn Divisions: 11, 1t, possibly 12. I believe the oriiginal box number would be in the 400 range (462) or in the 8000 range as a special building box. L 105 is mentioned twice at different times. Also interesting how many companies that responded have since been disbanded.

From 1995 to 1997, all Divisions were numbered consecutively. Division 1 - 8.

Box 77 - 55 - 461 51 Clark St.
Box 77 - 22 - 462 80 Pineapple St.
Box 77 - 33 - 478 111 Hicks St.

E204, E209, E212, E278 are disbanded

 

[Atlas]

Your rundown shows Divisions 5,6,and 7 and no mention of any Brooklyn Divisions: 11, 1t, possibly 12. I believe the oriiginal box number would be in the 400 range (462) or in the 8000 range as a special building box. L 105 is mentioned twice at different times. Also interesting how many companies that responded have since been disbanded.

Based on the year of occurrence of the incident, FDNY had renumbers all the Divisions. Afterwards returned to the current numbering system.

 

[Captain784]

I believe that the total response to this fire, was equal to 13 Alarms. In the FDNY such a large number of alarms was once called a "Borough Call" or "Simultaneous" Call. In theory, in the past, the maximum response in any one N.Y, Borough was 5 Alarms. If more alarms were needed for a very large fire, an alarm box number in another NYC Borough would be used and the units assigned to that box would respond to the large fire in that other borough. On the old Alarm bell system, a Borough designation was used, for Brooklyn the Borough designation was 7-7. So, a 5th Alarm in Brooklyn for box 598 would be sent via the old bell system as 7-7 5-5 598. For an 8th Alarm for Brooklyn Box 598 the signal in the old bell system would be 6-6 (Borough designation for Manhattan) 6-6 3-3 142 (A Manhattan Alarm Box Number) = 6-6 3-3 142 7-7 077. A 3rd Alarm assignment for Manhattan box 142 would respond to Brooklyn Box 077 to equal an 8th Alarm at the Brooklyn Major Fire. Now with computer assistance for the dispatchers the computer recommends the units available to respond to any level of alarms needed, to the dispatchers. My former unit Engine 26 responded to this fire, but I was off duty that night. Engine 26 S/C = Special Called at 0601 Hours.
Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired

 

[Darrell]

I believe that the total response to this fire, was equal to 13 Alarms. In the FDNY such a large number of alarms was once called a "Borough Call" or "Simultaneous" Call. In theory, in the past, the maximum response in any one N.Y, Borough was 5 Alarms. If more alarms were needed for a very large fire, an alarm box number in another NYC Borough would be used and the units assigned to that box would respond to the large fire in that other borough. On the old Alarm bell system, a Borough designation was used, for Brooklyn the Borough designation was 7-7. So, a 5th Alarm in Brooklyn for box 598 would be sent via the old bell system as 7-7 5-5 598. For an 8th Alarm for Brooklyn Box 598 the signal in the old bell system would be 6-6 (Borough designation for Manhattan) 6-6 3-3 142 (A Manhattan Alarm Box Number) = 6-6 3-3 142 7-7 077. A 3rd Alarm assignment for Manhattan box 142 would respond to Brooklyn Box 077 to equal an 8th Alarm at the Brooklyn Major Fire. Now with computer assistance for the dispatchers the computer recommends the units available to respond to any level of alarms needed, to the dispatchers. My former unit Engine 26 responded to this fire, but I was off duty that night. Engine 26 S/C = Special Called at 0601 Hours.
Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired

If you call 4 Bourghs on this call a "Borugh Call" it definitley was one, according to FDnewyork theres was 101+ appratus working this. Staten Island was the only company who didn't help out Brooklyn (which makes sense but is a regular thing for them)

 

[FDNYSTATENISLAND]

If you call 4 Bourghs on this call a "Borugh Call" it definitley was one, according to FDnewyork theres was 101+ appratus working this. Staten Island was the only company who didn't help out Brooklyn (which makes sense but is a regular thing for them)

Recently SI units relocated to BK and routinely SI units end up at multiple alarms in Manhattan for watchline and relief, especially TL85 as a 95’.

 

[jtsjc1]

I'm not an FDNY member but as someone who worked there after the fire I don't think I've seen worse destruction in a one block area anywhere else.

 

[Darrell]

I'm not an FDNY member but as someone who worked there after the fire I don't think I've seen worse destruction in a one block are anywhere else.

I've think I've seen worse, 233 County Rd 508 (East Orange NJ). If you check Google Maps it'll be fine. But when I passed it a few weeks back, the only thing that was still in good condition was the BP Gas Station on the corner of Western Parkway. Every building on the CR508 side of the Block burned completly to the ground. If anyone know if there's a thread on that Job I seriously want to know.

 

[jtsjc1]

I'm also counting apartments on Hicks and Pineapple streets that were destroyed also.

 

[RCL]

If you call 4 Bourghs on this call a "Borugh Call" it definitley was one, according to FDnewyork theres was 101+ appratus working this. Staten Island was the only company who didn't help out Brooklyn (which makes sense but is a regular thing for them)

Staten Island was represented. R5, E163 and 167 were all at Hicks.

 

[Darrell]

Staten Island was represented. R5, E163 and 167 were all at Hicks.

Yeah, I don't know why he said they didn't go..