A Moment in Time 8-10-1968

Bronx72 · Jun 18, 2012

I picked the date of August 10, 1968, for no particular reason (except maybe that it was Ladder 56's first day of service) to show all apparatus in service on that day in The Bronx. It's quite a collection of apparatus, before the days of 10 year term-limits. Ladder 55 had come into being on July 23.
Does anybody know when the last of the hose wagons were taken out of service? E52 apparently had one as late as Sep. 1970 and E70 in late 1973.

E38 - 1958 Mack C85F 750 gpm
E41 - 1965 Mack C95D 1000 gpm
E41-2 - 1954 Mack Model 19 LS-HP 1000 gpm
E42 - 1960 Ward LaFrance Firebrand 1000 gpm
E43 - 1958 Mack C85F 750 gpm
E45 - 1965 Mack C95D 1000 gpm
E46 - 1960 Ward LaFrance Firebrand 1000 gpm
E48 - 1959 Mack C95F 1000 gpm
E50 - 1965 Mack C95D 1000 gpm
E52 - 1951 Ward LaFrance 750 gpm
E60 - 1965 Mack C95D 1000 gpm
E61 - 1951 Ward LaFrance 750 gpm
E62 - 1951 Ward LaFrance 750 gpm
E63 - 1951 Ward LaFrance 750 gpm
E64 - 1958 Mack C85F 750 gpm
E68 - 1958 Mack C85F 750 gpm
E70 - 1953 Ward LaFrance 750 gpm
E71 - 1958 Mack C85F 750 gpm
E72 - 1954 Mack Model 19 LS-HP 1000 gpm
E73 - 1963 International ST/H&H 1000 gpm
E75 - 1953 Ward LaFrance 750 gpm
E79 - 1951 Ward LaFrance 750 gpm
E81 - 1952 Ward LaFrance 750 gpm
E82 - 1960 Ward LaFrance Firebrand 1000 gpm
E83 - 1959 Mack C95F 1000 gpm
E85 - 1959 Mack C95F 1000 gpm
E88 - 1959 Mack C95F 1000 gpm
E89 - 1952 Ward LaFrance 750 gpm
E90 - 1953 Ward LaFrance 750 gpm
E92 - 1958 Mack C85F 750 gpm
E94 - 1963 International ST/H&H 1000 gpm
E96 - 1965 Mack C95D 1000 gpm
E97 - 1958 Mack C85F 750 gpm
L17 - 1968 ALF 900 Series 100' tractor-drawn aerial
L19 - 1968 ALF 900 Series 100' tractor-drawn aerial
L27 - 1968 ALF 900 Series 100' tractor-drawn aerial
L29 - 1960 ALF 900 Series 100' tractor-drawn aerial
L31 - 1962 ALF 900 Series 100' tractor-drawn aerial
L32 - 1955 FWD 75' tractor-drawn aerial
L33 - 1959 Mack C85F/Maxim 85' tractor-drawn aerial
L37 - 1962 Seagrave 100' tractor-drawn aerial
L38 - 1956 ALF 85' tractor-drawn aerial
L39 - 1948 ALF 85' tractor-drawn aerial (1969 Mack MB tractor)
L41 - 1962 ALF 900 Series 100' tractor-drawn aerial
L42 - 1968 ALF 900 Series 100' tractor-drawn aerial
L44 - 1953 ALF 700 Series 85' tractor-drawn aerial
L46 - 1962 Seagrave KT 100' tractor-drawn aerial
L47 - 1956 ALF 85' tractor-drawn aerial (later, tractor from #411)
L48 - 1963 Seagrave KT 100' tractor-drawn aerial
L49 - 1955 FWD 75' tractor-drawn aerial
L50 - 1955 FWD 75' tractor-drawn aerial
L51 - 1963 Seagrave KT 100' tractor-drawn aerial
L52 - 1955 FWD 75' tractor-drawn aerial (1969 Mack MB tractor)
L53 - 1953 ALF 700 Series 85' tractor-drawn aerial
L54 - 1960 Mack C85F/Maxim 85' tractor-drawn aerial
L55 - 1960 Mack C85F/Maxim 85' tractor-drawn aerial
L56 - 1959 Mack C85F/Maxim 85' tractor-drawn aerial
Sat2 - 1965 Mack C85FD hose wagon with 4000 gpm monitor
Sqd2 - 1960 Ward LaFrance Firebrand 1000 gpm

mack · Jun 18, 2012

Thanks Bronx72. A lot of work with your list. A lot of older apparatus doing a lot of work.

fdny1075k · Jun 22, 2012

Wow. Great work Bronx72.

By the way, where was Squad 2 quartered at the time?

Dover FD · Jun 22, 2012

Thanks for doing this! Moved from Decatur Ave in 1962. Used to stop at 79/37 on my way home from SPNS on the Concourse. In 1962 they had a 1951 WLF and the 1955 FWD TDA. I often wondered what was replaced, when it was replaced and by what. Anyone know if the 62 Seagrave 37's got was new or used?

svd385 · Jun 22, 2012

fdny1075k said:
Wow. Great work Bronx72.

By the way, where was Squad 2 quartered at the time?

Squad 2 was at E73 from 8/55 to 5/76

fdce54 · Jun 22, 2012

Dover FD said:
Thanks for doing this! Moved from Decatur Ave in 1962. Used to stop at 79/37 on my way home from SPNS on the Concourse. In 1962 they had a 1951 WLF and the 1955 FWD TDA. I often wondered what was replaced, when it was replaced and by what. Anyone know if the 62 Seagrave 37's got was new or used?

Used.

guitarman314 · Jun 23, 2012

Made some additions and corrections:

Bronx72 said:
I picked the date of August 10, 1968, for no particular reason (except maybe that it was Ladder 56's first day of service) to show all apparatus in service on that day in The Bronx. It's quite a collection of apparatus, before the days of 10 year term-limits. Ladder 55 had come into being on July 23.
Does anybody know when the last of the hose wagons were taken out of service? E52 apparently had one as late as Sep. 1970 and E70 in late 1973.

E38 - 1958 Mack C85F 750 gpm
E41 - 1965 Mack C95D 1000 gpm
E41-2 - 1953 Ward LaFrance 750 gpm (ex-CD34). E41-2 had a '54 Mack 1000 gpm (ex-E72) from Oct. 1957 to Nov. 1958 when they were disbanded
E42 - 1960 Ward LaFrance Firebrand 1000 gpm
E43 - 1958 Mack C85F 750 gpm
E45 - 1965 Mack C95D 1000 gpm
E46 - 1960 Ward LaFrance Firebrand 1000 gpm /E46-1 & E46-2 both awaiting delivery of 1968 Mack CF's. E46-2 had 1954 Ward LaFrance 750 gpm (ex-CD44)
E48 - 1959 Mack C95F 1000 gpm
E50 - 1965 Mack C95D 1000 gpm
E52 - 1951 Ward LaFrance 750 gpm pumper (shop# 2606) and a 1951 Ward LaFrance (#2602) hosewagon (ex-E246 & E32 wagon)
E60 - 1965 Mack C95D 1000 gpm
E61 - 1951 Ward LaFrance 750 gpm
E62 - 1951 Ward LaFrance 750 gpm
E63 - 1951 Ward LaFrance 750 gpm
E64 - 1958 Mack C85F 750 gpm
E68 - 1958 Mack C85F 750 gpm
E70 - 1953 Ward LaFrance 750 gpm, Hosewagon: 1947 American LaFrance 750 gpm
E71 - 1958 Mack C85F 750 gpm- awaiting delivery of a new 1968 Mack CF
E72 - 1954 Mack Model 19 LS-HP 1000 gpm -was disbanded Oct. 15, 1957 in Manhattan. E41-2 received their 1954 Mack L but 41-2 was disbanded in 1958. New Bronx Engine 72 was re-organized from disbanded E88-2 on Nov. 22, 1972
E73 - 1963 International ST/H&H 1000 gpm - awaiting delivery of new 1968 Mack CF
E75 - 1953 Ward LaFrance 750 gpm (ex-E80) they had swapped rigs (1958 Mack 750 gpm) with E80 a couple of years back. Who knew back then that E75 would get busy one day? :
E79 - 1951 Ward LaFrance 750 gpm
E81 - 1952 Ward LaFrance 750 gpm - (ex-E37) had swapped rigs (1958 Mack 750 gpm) with E37
E82 - 1960 Ward LaFrance Firebrand 1000 gpm - awaiting delivery of a new 1968 Mack CF
E83 - 1959 Mack C95F 1000 gpm - awaiting delivery of a new 1968 Mack CF
E85 - 1959 Mack C95F 1000 gpm - awaiting delivery of a new 1968 Mack CF
E88 - 1959 Mack C95F 1000 gpm - awaiting delivery of a new 1968 Mack CF
E89 - 1952 Ward LaFrance 750 gpm
E90 - 1953 Ward LaFrance 750 gpm
E92 - 1958 Mack C85F 750 gpm
E94 - 1963 International ST/H&H 1000 gpm - awaiting delivery of a new 1968 Mack CF
E96 - 1965 Mack C95D 1000 gpm
E97 - 1958 Mack C85F 750 gpm
L17 - 1968 ALF 900 Series 100' tractor-drawn aerial (deisel)
L19 - 1968 ALF 900 Series 100' tractor-drawn aerial (deisel)
L27 - 1968 ALF 900 Series 100' tractor-drawn aerial (deisel)
L29 - 1960 ALF 900 Series 100' tractor-drawn aerial
L31 - 1962 ALF 900 Series 100' tractor-drawn aerial - awaiting delivery of a new 1969 ALF 900 Series 100' tractor-drawn aerial (deisel)
L32 - 1955 FWD 75' tractor-drawn aerial
L33 - 1960 Mack C85F/Maxim 85' tractor-drawn aerial
L37 - 1962 Seagrave 100' tractor-drawn aerial
L38 - 1956 ALF 85' tractor-drawn aerial (ex-L47 #411) -awaiting delivery of a new 1969 American LaFrance 100' TDA (deisel)
L39 - 1948 ALF 85' tractor-drawn aerial (ex-L24) (1969 Mack MB tractor) L41 - 1962 ALF 900 Series 100' tractor-drawn aerial
L42 - 1968 ALF 900 Series 100' tractor-drawn aerial (deisel)
L44 - 1953 ALF 700 Series 85' tractor-drawn aerial
L46 - 1962 Seagrave KT 100' tractor-drawn aerial
L47 - 1956 ALF 85' tractor-drawn aerial (ex-L120, later got tractor from #411 which was L47's original rig that was previously sent to L38)
L48 - 1963 Seagrave KT 100' tractor-drawn aerial - awaiting delivery of a new 1969 American LaFrance 100' TDA (diesel)
L49 - 1955 FWD 75' tractor-drawn aerial
L50 - 1955 FWD 75' tractor-drawn aerial
L51 - 1963 Seagrave KT 100' tractor-drawn aerial
L52 - 1955 FWD 75' tractor-drawn aerial (1969 Mack MB tractor)
L53 - 1953 ALF 700 Series 85' tractor-drawn aerial
L54 - 1960 Mack C85F/Maxim 85' tractor-drawn aerial
L55 - 1960 Mack C85F/Maxim 85' tractor-drawn aerial
L56 - 1959 Mack C85F/Maxim 85' tractor-drawn aerial
Sat2 - 1965 Mack C85FD hose wagon with 4000 gpm monitor
Sqd2 - 1952 Ward LaFrance 750 gpm (ex-CD19) later received a 1960 Ward LaFrance Firebrand 1000 gpm #5937 from E278 after E278 got a 1968 Mack CF

Bronx72 · Jun 23, 2012

Nice corrections, G-Man. Check this for me because I believe I am wrong with L27: they already had a new 1968 ALF delivered on 3/10/68 (I missed that) and therefore did not receive a '69.

Bronx72 · Jun 23, 2012

And the next new aerial that L37 received was a 1972 Seagrave rear-mount.

mikeindabronx · Jun 23, 2012

Dover FD said:
Thanks for doing this! Moved from Decatur Ave in 1962. Used to stop at 79/37 on my way home from SPNS on the Concourse. In 1962 they had a 1951 WLF and the 1955 FWD TDA. I often wondered what was replaced, when it was replaced and by what. Anyone know if the 62 Seagrave 37's got was new or used?

I still live on Decatur Ave.

Dover FD · Jun 23, 2012

2837 Decatur. Right next door to 3511 in 2839.
They also had a CD rig on Briggs Ave. I don't remember the number. We used to stop by and the housewatch FF would let us climb all over the rigs. 79 had straight pipes on their Ward ( I think.) They used to come tearing down 200th ST, ( baroom pop pop pop) Good times!

guitarman314 · Jun 24, 2012

Bronx72 said:
Nice corrections, G-Man. Check this for me because I believe I am wrong with L27: they already had a new 1968 ALF delivered on 3/10/68 (I missed that) and therefore did not receive a '69.

Oh, my bad, Yes, your right, L27 had a 1968 ALF. I'll correct my mistaken correction :

:-[

Atlas Aerial · Jun 24, 2012

Interesting stuff but I have a question based on Dennis Smith's book "Report from Engine Co 82" which i am reading right now In his book, Smith references Engine Co 85 and Ladder 712 which are apparently quarterd with E82 nd L31 in the same Intervale Ave firehouse used today by 82/31. My questions to the War Years vets on the forum are (1) how did this firehouse accommodate four front line apparatus pieces, and (2) what was the purpose and period of existence for L712? I find these types of temporary units as solutions to issues of the day very interesting.

fdny1075k · Jun 24, 2012

FDNY75VA said:
Interesting stuff but I have a question based on Dennis Smith's book "Report from Engine Co 82" which i am reading right now In his book, Smith references Engine Co 85 and Ladder 712 which are apparently quarterd with E82 nd L31 in the same Intervale Ave firehouse used today by 82/31. My questions to the War Years vets on the forum are (1) how did this firehouse accommodate four front line apparatus pieces, and (2) what was the purpose and period of existence for L712? I find these types of temporary units as solutions to issues of the day very interesting.

Yes 82/31's also housed Engine 85, a Battalion and Ladder 712. Report from Engine Co. 82 by the way, is perhaps the greatest book on firefighting ever written. If you want, you should really check out the documentary on the firehouse, "The Bronx is Burning", if you haven't already. It's currently available on YouTube.

Ladder 712 was a Tactical Control Unit, or TCU. I believe it was the only TCU Ladder Co. in the Bronx at the time. It was disbanded later on to form Ladder 59. TCU's were basically extra companies manned part time and placed into service in busy firehouses during peak fire activity hours.

This may help:

"'1970 - A New Era in the FDNY...Tactical Control Force' in WNYF (written by Chief of Dept O'Hagan). Some points from this summary:

Units: TCUs work 37 1/2 hrs; report for duty at 1430 hrs at a firehouse "in an outlying area"; 30 minutes to drive w/assigned apparatus to quarters they will operate from; in service as a conventional engine or truck until 0030 hrs; 30 minutes to drive back to firehouse where their apparatus is stored; work 3 shifts and then 85 hrs off; 5% night differential for all hrs; all members volunteers and interviewed and selected for their "firefighting experience, attitude, appearance, background and knowledge"; an officer and 7 firefighters in TCU trucks; an officer and 6 firefighters in engines; all engine and ladder companies in adaptive response areas have rosters of 31 firefighters and staffed with "a minimum of 6 firefighters at all times"; increased staffing to match 2 engine and 1 truck adaptive response; all non-firefighting details would be covered from an "administrative quota" of firefighters to maintain minimum unit manning."

Also, I believe the TCU was parked outside of their quarters in many cases, or it swapped out with another company that was normally inside.

Bronx72 · Jun 24, 2012

Tactical Control Unit 712 was quartered with E43 on Sedgwick Av and saw service between the hours of 1500-2400 from 11-15-1969 to 7-8-1971 at Intervale Av. It then relocated to 1264 Boston Road with E85 until 11-24-1972 at which time it became L59 in the same house. It moved in with E43 on 4-17-1978 when that area was burning. My guess is that it didn't spend much time in quarters, but I don't know if there was room for all 4 rigs.
E85 started on Intervale Av on 7-1-1967 (had been a Manhattan Marine Co. from 1908-1959). The idea was to reduce the workload on E82, but they often ran together and, as a result, E85 ranked 3rd OF ALL COMPANIES IN THE CITY, INCLUDING SQUADS in 1968 with 8,386 runs. E82 was 1st with 9,111 runs and L31 was 2nd at 8,597 runs.
Interesting to note that they must have made some changes to the response protocols in 1969 (interchanges, not running together) because E82 dropped to 17th (6,183 runs) and E85 to 37th (4,958).

soda-acid · Jun 24, 2012

Engine 85 was previously Squad 9 @ Engine 22 from 1961 to 1967. Most of the members of the Squad went to The Bronx.

68jk09 · Jun 25, 2012

LAD*27s ALF today ................ http://fdnyrant.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=downloadattachmentpage&board=history&thread=8424&post=184041

A Moment in Time 8-10-1968

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