American LaFrance Rescue Company

[JohnnyBopp]

Good point 70k that's probably close to the average actual weight of a tractor trailer on an interstate.

The 10 wheel dump truck I drive with the third lift axle is good for 80,000 lbs legally. When I am driving the the dump trailer I am good for 120,000 . Just to give you a weight perspective. I was shocked to hear the rescues weigh in at 70,000. Is that fact or speculation?

The Ferrara rearmounts tip the scales at 70,000 lbs.  While I don't know exactly what the Rescues are, I'd say that's an appropriate ballpark.  No ladder, but lots and lots of equiptment and a larger body.  Don't forget.....all stainless.

 

[Bulldog]

Good point 70k that's probably close to the average actual weight of a tractor trailer on an interstate.

The 10 wheel dump truck I drive with the third lift axle is good for 80,000 lbs legally. When I am driving the the dump trailer I am good for 120,000 . Just to give you a weight perspective. I was shocked to hear the rescues weigh in at 70,000. Is that fact or speculation?

Don't forget that 120,000 is with a tandem axle tractor and tandem axle trailer (maybe even try axle).  All of the tiller ladders and tiller rescues that have been built so far are on single axle tractors and single axle trailers so they really don't have any more weight capacity than the existing units.

 

[BCR]

The original colapse rescue was a tractor trailer style unit, I'm pretty sure it was totaled on 9/11. I think it ran citywide as a second section of rescue 3, when they established one in each borough they went with the slightly smaller units and also have the pods with extra materials.

 

[CFDMarshal]

I asked the same question at Rescue 5 last year during our visit and he (the Chauffer) said 70K on the weight.

 

[69 METS]

The original colapse rescue was a tractor trailer style unit, I'm pretty sure it was totaled on 9/11. I think it ran citywide as a second section of rescue 3, when they established one in each borough they went with the slightly smaller units and also have the pods with extra materials.

The tractor trailer collapse rig that was assigned to Rescue 3 received only dents and dings during the collapses on 9/11/01. It was re-equipped and placed back into service within days of the terrorist attack. Eventually a new tractor was placed into service to pull it. The rig remained in front-line service until it was replaced by the current Rescue Collapse 3. I believe the tractor trailer collapse rig was re-painted white and is used by another agency.

 

[NYBravest82]

The original colapse rescue was a tractor trailer style unit, I'm pretty sure it was totaled on 9/11. I think it ran citywide as a second section of rescue 3, when they established one in each borough they went with the slightly smaller units and also have the pods with extra materials.

The tractor trailer collapse rig that was assigned to Rescue 3 received only dents and dings during the collapses on 9/11/01. It was re-equipped and placed back into service within days of the terrorist attack. Eventually a new tractor was placed into service to pull it. The rig remained in front-line service until it was replaced by the current Rescue Collapse 3. I believe the tractor trailer collapse rig was re-painted white and is used by another agency.

I may be wrong but I think OCME is using it...I feel like I remember seeing a photo of it at the east Harlem explosion earlier this year...

 

[TLTruckie]

70,000# is FACT , the last time we weighed R-4 , about 2 years ago it came in just over 69,400#....so depending on who's working on any particular day ....70,000# !!!

The ALF "Spirit of Oklahoma" is still around as a spare, it's served us well but it's VERY tired now !
R-1 old 02 rig scrapped after it caught fire
R-2,R-3 & R-5 old 02 rigs are spares
07 Peirce , spare.
R-4 old 02 rig is now reserve R-6 , equipped and ready to go. Used for special events , major incidents, recall or if one of the front line Ferrara's goes out of service for PM or for a very short time.
The Mack/General was being used by TAC-1 until it was involved in a accident, not really sure where it is now.

 

[wwf45]

As far as an actual FDNY Rescue Rig it should be an open back stand up crew area  type Rig as in use today by FDNY Rescue Units to allow suiting up for differnt ops or readying special tools or meters inside while responding. 

How about all members should be seated and wearing seatbelts!!No exceptions!!

 

[Bulldog]

As far as an actual FDNY Rescue Rig it should be an open back stand up crew area  type Rig as in use today by FDNY Rescue Units to allow suiting up for differnt ops or readying special tools or meters inside while responding. 

How about all members should be seated and wearing seatbelts!!No exceptions!!

Yeah Right!  For the rescues it's do what I say not as I do, they are a separate breed!

 

[68jk09]

As far as an actual FDNY Rescue Rig it should be an open back stand up crew area  type Rig as in use today by FDNY Rescue Units to allow suiting up for differnt ops or readying special tools or meters inside while responding. 

How about all members should be seated and wearing seatbelts!!No exceptions!!

Pass that gem on to the victim waiting for them to arrive ready to operate at a dive job or specialized operation.

 

[69 METS]

As far as an actual FDNY Rescue Rig it should be an open back stand up crew area  type Rig as in use today by FDNY Rescue Units to allow suiting up for differnt ops or readying special tools or meters inside while responding. 

How about all members should be seated and wearing seatbelts!!No exceptions!!

Pass that gem on to the victim waiting for them to arrive ready to operate at a dive job or specialized operation.

Amen Chief. Anyone who's interested in learning how to be a real firefighter should sit down and avail themselves of your knowledge of the fire service. I for one count myself as being privileged to have worked for you when you were a lieutenant. The national fire service safety patrol want firefighting and rescue work to be 100%, inherently safe. The fact is (as you know) the job is dangerous when done correctly. The way to limit the hazards is to train constantly, maintain situational awareness and watch each others backs. If we operated in the way that many 'modern day experts' advocate, many more lives would have been lost. As a former rescue company firefighter, I can attest to the need for getting dressed and geared up for special operations while responding. There are actually some departments that have removed the SCBA seat backs from their rigs and placed the breathing apparatus back in the outside compartments. This further slows down the process of getting the first line into position, effecting forcible entry and making quick primary searches. Oh, and make sure everyone is wearing their reflective vest.

 

[mack]

Not to knock seatbelt use - has FDNY ever lost a Rescue company member while standing in the confined rear area of a rescue rig responding to a fire or emergency?  It's different than being seated in a car or van or engine or truck where non use could result in ejection from the apparatus in an accident. 

 

[raybrag]

...Maybe the driver should be more careful....

Aren't the vast majority of apparatus accidents due to other (i.e. civilian) drivers . . . at least in New York City?  I think it's a mistake to think that FDNY apparatus drivers can reduce accidents by "being more careful".

 

[TLTruckie]

As far as an actual FDNY Rescue Rig it should be an open back stand up crew area  type Rig as in use today by FDNY Rescue Units to allow suiting up for differnt ops or readying special tools or meters inside while responding. 

How about all members should be seated and wearing seatbelts!!No exceptions!!

I'm sure all the water rescue ladder comp are seated wearing their seat belts while responding to water runs too!
We are all adults here and make our own decisions ...all the rigs are equipped we seat belts , including the back of the rescue rig.