Bronx- 10-75 03-01-11 Box 3147

[truck4]

Box 3147
2075 Ryer Ave X E. 180/Burnside

1740hrs- L-27 with Urgent for fire 2nd floor of a 3-story P/D.

1742hrs- B-19 All-Hands On Arrival, fire 1st floor. L-56FAST.

1747hrs- B-19 rpts fire P/W/H. Fire building is a 20X60 MD, fire was on 1st floor. (2) L/S, (1) in operation.

 

[mikeindabronx]

Initial units if available should be... E-46,42, L-27,TL-33

 

[Bob Dobalina]

Initial units if available should be... E-46,42, L-27,TL-33

That's 75's first due box now...........We lost it to them when they re-configured the box assignments a few years ago.  Sucks cause we caught some good first due work on that block..................

 

[mikeindabronx]

Initial units if available should be... E-46,42, L-27,TL-33

That's 75's first due box now...........We lost it to them when they re-configured the box assignments a few years ago.  Sucks cause we caught some good first due work on that block..................

Marc...here I was trying to give XBX the credit.

 

[FDNY150]

Yeah that does suck. I know the area, my old man used to work in the 46 back in the mid 80's.

 

[3511]

Why does it suck? 46 moved south and so did 75. 75 is now closer. Isn't that what it's all about, getting the right units there faster to protect the people?

 

[Bob Dobalina]

Why does it suck? 46 moved south and so did 75. 75 is now closer. Isn't that what it's all about, getting the right units there faster to protect the people?

You must work in 75....................When i'm driving, 46 beats 75 into that block just about everytime.............And we give it to them like the gentlemen that we are...................

 

[Atlas]

I just took the time out to map the route that has to be taken to get to 2075 Ryer Ave from the 9 nearest fire stations. Here is what I found:
Unit        NYC Air Miles      Street miles
E-75        0.29                      0.6 
E-42        0.53                      0.9
E-48        0.59                      0.7
E-46        0.61                      1.1
E-88        0.71                      1.1
E-43        0.85                      1.0
E-45        1.19                      1.5
E-92        1.41                      1.7
E-79        1.43                      1.8

Now from old Qtrs:
E-75            ?                        0.6
E-46        0.45                      0.7

Res 3 from new Qtrs            1.3 street miles

I can not say that these figures are 100% correct, but they are all computer generated. I do know how E-46 responds out of qtrs. & that was taken into consideration. The air miles are taken from a city mapping program.  Remember that time of day has a major effect on all responses & that is not taken into effect on these times, or going against traffic for a block or two either. Where 75 is today is no help to there responses at all. A major help would be to make East 181 St from Jerome Ave to Tiebout Ave one way eastbound & keep it one way west bound west of Jerome Ave to University Ave. 75 had a better response from their old quarters then from the new station.

So by air miles the response should be:  75 -42 - 48 - 46 - 88 - 43 - 45 - 92 - 79

By street miles - 75 - 48 - 42 - 43 - 46 - 88 - 45 - 92 - 79

 

[guitarman314]

Does this take into account the hills between Webster & Gr. Concourse, University & Jerome, blocked off streets, and the Park Ave. R.R. cut? ???

 

[squarewheels]

at least we are being gentleman unlike brooklyn companies japping each other out of tight boxes all the time.  it doesnt pay to drive like a maniac to show who got there first caseu it aint gonna change the assignment

 

[Atlas]

I was able to get the correct air miles from old E-75 qtrs to the Ryer Ave address. It is 0.43 miles & from Res 3 new qtrs the air miles would be 0.81 so you can see the difference from driving miles vs air miles. Remember that FDNY Starfire CAD system uses airmiles & no common sense.

 

[Atlas]

The air miles mapping program is a direct stright line from point "a" to point "Z" without detours. The street mapping program goes as far as taking one way streets in to play. Yes it even crosses the Grand Concourse & also Park Ave at the correct intersections. If you see an incorrect path, you can change the suggested path. For 46 it took East Tremont Ave to Anthony Ave, so I corrected the path to go by Echo Park & to use East Burnside Ave.  For E-75 is had them travel down to Burnside Ave in order to reach the location. No short cuts were used.

 

[Atlas]

Years ago, FDNY  publish on department orders all changes for alarm assignments. If a new box was established, all the info was made public, if the location was changed it also was known to all members, & assignment cards had to be updated.

Today, nothing is published. If you are sitting in qtrs & hear the box being announced on the dept radio, you just might check your teleprinter to see if you missed a run. Other wise you would not know that the assignment was changed. 

 

[blzdp]

Why does it suck? 46 moved south and so did 75. 75 is now closer. Isn't that what it's all about, getting the right units there faster to protect the people?

You must work in 75....................When i'm driving, 46 beats 75 into that block just about everytime.............And we give it to them like the gentlemen that we are...................

LOL ;D

 

[3511]

One shortcoming of most computer mapping systems (Google, Rand, Mapquest) to calculate distance to a box, as Atlas points out, is the one way street consideration. I know of one firehouse (I am sure there are more) located on a one way street in the Bronx whose companies go against that traffic for about 200 feet to reach a major intersection when responding to structural fires in that direction.

The computer mapping systems will add as much as a quarter mile to their actual trip, routing them around several blocks to get back to that intersection to keep them always flowing with the street traffic direction. The companies would be long operating at the box by that time. I find it useful sometimes to do a reverse map function (from the box to the firehouse) to get a truer calculation.

The pre computer solution to box assignments was the "wheel on the map" at the Alarm Assignment Division at headquarters. A device (similar to a wheeled, rolling eraser, if anyone remembers those) calibrated to and simply rolled along the City street map determined the distance from each house to a box. The operators knew the traffic patterns of each firehouse and how they responded. They also considered major traffic intersections and potenial choke points along the possible routes. Where there were equal distances they would actually go out and recon the routes of the companies involved and/or contact chief or company officers for resolution. When streets were closed for temporary reasons (construction, school "play" streets, ect.,) an order was published to accomodate the situation. All officers and personnel involved took this responsibility seriously, as I am sure they do today, to simply ensure that the right companies responded to give the fastest fire protection to the citizens of New York. Professional.

The proof came every day. Units arrived as assigned, all conditions equal.  It was fun to watch the results when some of the first alarm companies were out elsewhere. Those special called by telphone by the dispatcher to fill in the box assignment also would arrive as the wheel predicted. Amazing!

With all our technology today, seems we could could, somehow, at least match the wheel in accuracy.

 

[guitarman314]

  I agree, for instance E60/TL17/BC14 are on a W/B one way street that was widened in 1966 and are  able to make it to Willis Ave. against traffic. Engine/Squad 41 which used to run into a logjam on 150th St. because of double-parked cars in front of the MCU office but could make a right turn against traffic towards Courtlandt Ave. In Midtown there are companies like E1, E3, E26 & E65 that can't hit a box around the corner or even at the end of their home block because of one-way streets and heavy traffic.

 

[Atlas]

Well we know that City Hall is always looking to reduce response time. So may be we should have the bean counters look at installing traffic light that would permit fire companies to go against traffic on the blocks where the fire stations are located that are one way.

Next in some cities, fire trucks & other emergency vehicles can control traffic lights in their favor at busy intersections. So emergency units can arrive faster & safer at incident scenes.

 

[68jk09]

gman........you are correct about the log jam hindering turnouts on 150 St (SQ*41 s block) during the banking hours that the municipal credit union was open.......the shame of it is that the bldg goes thru the block to 149 St. but the 149 St doors are only used as an emergency exit....when i was an Officer there i had sent in a request that the doors on 149 St be used as the main entrance & 150 side used for emergency.....the reply from the dinkins administration was NO we do not want to cause congestion on 149 St because of all the stores.......typical crap.