mack said:fdhistorian said:811 said:mack said:For a period of time between 1908 and 1925, NYC built firehouses with walls between companies, and therefore separate housewatches. GMan compiled a good summary a while back:
"If you go back in time, most ladder companies had their own firehouses including many that had a solid wall between the engine & truck side and separate housewatch desks: 1(w/E7-1 & 7-2), 2*, 3, 4, 5*, 6, 7, 8*, 9*, 10, 11, 12, 13*, 14, 15, 17*, 18, 19, 20*, 21*, 22*, 23, 24, 25(w/E74), 26*, 27(next to E46), 28*, 30, 34(w/E84), 35*, 38(w/E88) 39, 40, 41(w/E90), 42(next to E73), 43(w/E91-1 & 91-2) 44(w/E92)), 45(w/E93-1 & 93-2), 46(w/E81), 47(next to E64), 49(on Nelson Ave. directly behind E68), 77(w/E153), 102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 112, 114, 116, 118(365 Jay St. w/R-2), 122(next to E220), 123, 124(w/E271), 125, 126, 127(w/E275, 298 & 299), 131(w/E279), 132(w/E280), 134(w/E264 & 328), 136(w/E287), 140(w/E291), 142(w/E285), 144(w/E295), 146(w/E229), 147(w/E281), 148(w/E282), 149(w/E284). [* means double company]"
The explanation for the firehouse separation is believed to be a NYC law or policy which was also posted by site member, 811:
"I was told during that period, that when they built these houses, there was a city law stating a house could only have one Captain even if it contained two companies. So to beat this law, they built two separate houses with a common wall."
When you look at G-Man's list of ladder companies that had a house to themselves, whether it was a stand alone building, one building but with a wall between companies, a building with its own address distinct from the engine company, or a building that no longer has an engine, clearly a majority of ladder companies had their own house at one time.
G-Man's list with a few additional:
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 (2 different houses), 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18 (2 different houses, Bronx and Manhattan), 19 (3 different houses), 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 30, 34, 35, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 49, 58, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 112, 114, 116, 118, 121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 129, 131, 132, 134, 135, 136, 140, 142, 144, 146, 147, 148, 149, 175
Co-located houses but with their own address:
27, 36, 37, 38, 41, 42, 43, 44, 46, 47, 58, 77, 117, 120, 121, 122, 124, 125, 126, 127, 129, 131, 134, 146, 147, 148, 149, 151, 152, 157, 160, 163
Co-located houses with walls: (as noted by others on this site)
25, 27, 34, 38, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 58, 77, (118?), 122, 124, (127?), 131, 132, 134, 136, 140, 142, 144, 146, 147, 148, 149
Engine 62 was organized on Feb. 1, 1896 as a combination fire co. (pumper, chemical hose wagon & city service ladder truck). Except for a short period between July 2, 1900 and Dec. 12, 1903 they remained a combination fire co. until Ladder 32 was relocated there Dec. 20, 1928. Ladder 32 was relocated to E97 on Aprill 1, 1931 but returned April 17, 1933.68jk09 said:Two 62's ?
mack said:JOR176 said:Ladder 132 had a different address than 280
280- 489 St Johns PL
132- 491 St Johns Pl
Engine 280/Ladder 132 489/491 St Johns Place, Prospect Heights, Brooklyn
fdhistorian said:85 was approximately 2200 ft from 82/31 and approx 2200 ft from 50/19.mikeindabronx said:fltpara16 said:Thanks for posting about 85/59 Joe. I have always found this to be an interesting part of FDNY history, the quick construction of metal (Butler) buildings as Firehouses. Isn't this just a few blocks from 82/31? So different than what many of us are use to, having companies so close together. But then again, none us "young guys" experienced or witnessed the "WAR YEARS"!
About 1/2 block North on Boston Rd. & 4 1/2 blocks East on 169th St to Intervale Ave.
But that's nothing compared to Hudson, NY (Columbia County) which had 5 active firehouses on the same street within 4800 ft of each other into the 2000's.
Tarrytown and Sleepy Hollow (N Tarrytown) (Westchester County) have seven firehouses within 1900 ft of each other in an area of 1/10 sq mile.
Still, technically, the closest firehouses are in NYC, with two firehouses, built at different times, side by side, touching, so the distance between them is 0 ft! (eg 73/42 and others)
mack said:fdhistorian said:85 was approximately 2200 ft from 82/31 and approx 2200 ft from 50/19.mikeindabronx said:fltpara16 said:Thanks for posting about 85/59 Joe. I have always found this to be an interesting part of FDNY history, the quick construction of metal (Butler) buildings as Firehouses. Isn't this just a few blocks from 82/31? So different than what many of us are use to, having companies so close together. But then again, none us "young guys" experienced or witnessed the "WAR YEARS"!
About 1/2 block North on Boston Rd. & 4 1/2 blocks East on 169th St to Intervale Ave.
But that's nothing compared to Hudson, NY (Columbia County) which had 5 active firehouses on the same street within 4800 ft of each other into the 2000's.
Tarrytown and Sleepy Hollow (N Tarrytown) (Westchester County) have seven firehouses within 1900 ft of each other in an area of 1/10 sq mile.
Still, technically, the closest firehouses are in NYC, with two firehouses, built at different times, side by side, touching, so the distance between them is 0 ft! (eg 73/42 and others)
Engine 46 and Ladder 27 had side-by-side identical firehouses constructed at 451/453 E 176th Street in the Bronx approximately 1895:
Also quarters for Ladder 58 and Rescue 3.
enginecap said:IMHO there is not a better house on the job. 45,58 and the BN do as much work quality work as any other house in the city. Great kitchen laughs and their pride is 2nd to none
Back before 1969, Engines 38, 41, 42, 43, 48, 50, 81, 83, 89, 90 & 94 relocated and their firehouses were not filled. Engines 45, 46, 52, 60, 63, 64, 68, 70, 71, 73, 75, 79, 82, 92 & 97 were "must fill" companies. Ladder companies 17*, 27, 31*, 33, 37, 39*, 41, 42, 44*, 47, 51*, 52*, & 53* were "must fill" companies although a couple did some relocating, those with an (*) were Key companies and never relocated.scoobyd said:Paging thru an old E 43 company journal from 1962 once- they went to E 46 on a relocate on almost every day that I looked at.