FDNY Won't Rush

this is a joke....sal says "the communities will BENEFIT from the expansion of this program".....WTF.
 
Jack, that is because Bloomturd told him what to say. You, I and anyone with a brain knows that. It was on channel 2 news at 6. Marcia Kraemer was outside of 271 and then she mentioned E4, E161, E271 and 53 truck as being targeted. Same line-up as the last fiasco.
 
Hey more brilliant plans, if were sending a fire truck to something isnt there some need for expidetied response? And what rig is pictured in this article, thats not gonna be buffed out.
 
Now define non-emergencies.  The St Louis Fire Department considers gas leaks as non-emergencies in its "On the Quiet" response program (no lights/reduced speed).  If it is a non-emergency, why send the fire department at all?  Just send the gas company.  I don't get it. 

If a unit is sent on a non-emergency call, and a "real emergency" is received in their response area, are they re-directed?  If it is OK to arrive at a gas leak in 10 minutes, why not 20 minutes,or 30 minutes?  Or why not wait to see if it becomes an emergency - and then go? 

Who decides severity - the 911 operator?  I don't get it. 

It seems smarter to get a unit to all calls as rapidly as possible, evaluate the situation, and get everyone back in service ASAP.  I don't get it.

 
The decision was made by Operations. Believe me, you don't want an NYPD 911 operator deciding any form of severity when it comes to putting in a Fire Department emergency. They can barely put the calls in right as it is.
 
Here's a link to the story MM referenced:

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/04/06/exclusive-cbs-2-obtains-partial-list-of-fdny-company-closures/

When Engine 4 left the firehouse on a call Wednesday, firefighters wondered whether it would be among their last in the dense Wall Street area near ground zero.
Kramer asked fire union official Edward Boles to explain, for example, what closing Engine 4 would mean for fire safety.
?Engine 4 is the first engine to respond if there was any tragedy at Wall Street,? Boles said. ?Wall Street is the economic capital of the world. They?re also a mass de-con unit, so if there was a major terrorist attack they would be the first ones to help out.?
People who live and work in the area are terrified.
?It?s such a compact neighborhood that you need someone here to respond quickly to any type of fire because it would spread like wildfire,? said Tom Rooney, who works in the area.
?Its scary, it?s absolutely scary. I don?t know what else to say,? Lower Manhattan resident Toni Sosinsky said.
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People who live and work in the area are terrified. Unquote. The people get it. The 1st due engine company to Wall Street? The only ladder company on City Island? I know this topic keeps rearing it's ugly head, and most of the arguments about the insanity of these cuts have been explored here on this site or others.
I was going to say something about how common sense should dictate to this mayor.......but I'm sure it's been said already. One thing I noticed in the comments section; apparently the administration found 50 million dollars for a condom and needle replacement program? This is a priority over the 1st due engine company to one of the prime targets of our enemies?
What's up with that?
 
In addition, the next block over from E271 is Wyckoff Heights Medical Center. That hospital has it's share of fires and the surrounding neighborhood is all old 2 and 3 story attatched PD's. It's all a game to these idiots and they DO NOT give a s..t about the public and definitely not the members. Unfortunately it will take deaths, injuries and property destruction before anyone in government sees the big picture. So when the "crack heads" have used their clean needles and left their "cookers" burning or something lights up in the hospital and chaos erupts maybe, only maybe, will something be done to end this ridiculous scheme.
 
Don't worry though.......According to today's Daily News, they've found 62 MILLION DOLLARS to renovate the old HighBridge in The Bronx.............. ::)
 
Currently, calls for water leaks, downed trees, and pulled alarm boxes in the overnight hours with no secondary source of information currently receive a single unit response in emergency mode.  Under Modified Response, such calls in Brooklyn and Staten Island will still receive a single unit response, but, as in Queens, that unit will now respond at a reduced speed and obey all traffic regulations, without the use of lights and sirens.

Calls for odors other than smoke (such as gas or fumes), sprinkler and automatic alarms, electrical emergencies, manhole emergencies and other fire alarm systems currently bring up to five units (three Engine companies and two Ladder companies) in emergency mode.  Under Modified Response, those calls in Brooklyn and Staten Island, as in Queens, will still receive up to five units, but only the first-due units (one Engine and one Ladder) will respond in emergency mode.  The additional units will respond at a reduced speed and obey all traffic regulations, without the use of lights and sirens.  Upon arrival, the fire officers from the first due units will evaluate the incident and determine whether the additional units are needed or if they should return to quarters.

At any time, a fire officer responding to one of the above-mentioned call types can instruct all units to immediately respond in emergency mode based on additional information from dispatchers or by the officer's evaluation on scene.
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http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/html/pr/2011/040511_1811.shtml
 
Eventually, it will be. The rest of the city has gone to the Class E policy that Manhattan has had for over 15 years. Watch the response times go through the roof in Manhattan.
 
Is this new policy in place during daytime hours as well as night hours?? couldnt quiet extract that from the statetment made on the government site.

JT
 
For me, this poses a problem particularly in Manhattan, not saying its any better a Borough than any other in any way, however the traffic  congestion in Man far outweighs that in other boroughs during the day and evening. So if a rig is stuck in traffic, on a one way cross street, with knowhere to go because they are responding without lights or sirens as thay are second due engine or truck to a box, and the first arriving companies or chief transmits a 10-75... what are the companies stuck in the cross streets supposed to do, cos they aint going knowhere!!!

Another way to put firefighters lives at risk, and boxes that should be held at all hands or 10-75s will probably now be going to second alarms or greater due to these ludicrous policies!!

Just my thoughts as a none NYC firefighter.

JT
 
I agree Rodent, many fire depts today are "rolling the dice" and hoping that everything goes okay. It won't last forever and somebody is going to get hurt or worse because of policies like this and cutbacks that many depts have seen.
  Springfield, Mass recently had a tornado that caused major damage and resulted in four deaths. I hadn't been to Springfield in awhile. I was shocked to read on another site that they are now down to 7 Engines and 5 Ladders. A few years ago they had 16/9 and a Rescue.
  Camden, NJ saw two major fires. On that same site I read that there are Engine Cos there responding with TWO Firefighters. For a city like Camden, That's F...ing crazy, if its true.
  Over the years, I attended two funerals for firefighters LODDs due to accidents with the rigs. One in Boston and one in Waterbury Ct. In BOTH cases it was faulty equipment, NOT Firefighter driving errors that resulted in those deaths. As a matter of fact, those drivers of those rigs died heros, as they kept those rigs with faulty brakes from hitting many civilians.
  Most firefighter/drivers are trained to slow down at intersections anyway, and to watch out for the "other guy" who is probadly texting, or on the phone, or maybe just "a little High" on some booze or drugs.
  By the way, I drove on and off for about 15 years, just following the common sense rules and had No Accidents. Later as I sat in the riders sit, had many different drivers. Sometimes had to remind them to slow down etc, but with all those drivers another 15 years with No accidents. It was all about just driving using common sense. Just Slowing down when we had too.
 
 
For me, this poses a problem particularly in Manhattan, not saying its any better a Borough than any other in any way, however the traffic  congestion in Man far outweighs that in other boroughs during the day and evening. So if a rig is stuck in traffic, on a one way cross street, with knowhere to go because they are responding without lights or sirens as thay are second due engine or truck to a box, and the first arriving companies or chief transmits a 10-75... what are the companies stuck in the cross streets supposed to do, cos they aint going knowhere!!!

Another way to put firefighters lives at risk, and boxes that should be held at all hands or 10-75s will probably now be going to second alarms or greater due to these ludicrous policies!!

Just my thoughts as a none NYC firefighter.

JT
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Trust me, lights and sirens in manhattan is not gonna make them move out of the way any faster. They dont move, and most of the time have no where to go to move out of the way.
Now with the 10-20 response on some runs, i think is a good thing. I think it has only happened once or maybe twice where units responded on a 10-20 and it wound up being a fire, but that was mostly because of the caller not giving the right information. It has cut down on the accidents in every borough that the modified response has been put into effect. You say your putting fire fighters lives at risk with this, but i think your actually increasing the safety by not requiring them to respond lights and sirens blaring through intersections.
 
I agree w/nfd2004 's last paragraph.....you can drive responsibly without being mandated to do it w/a modified response.......i do not like the idea at all.....& lights & sirens do make traffic move in many instances.......my feeling was to use all the warning devices but drive like you WERE NOT using them.
 
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