OUR MILITARY.

mack said:
Maybe Gasoline Gomez started the $1.2B fire. Someone started that fire.
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Someone or something did. The other problem is the Navy has a habit of scapegoating folks.....USS Cole, USS Indianapolis, USS Iowa are just a few where the Navy got it wrong.
 
A Medal of Honor- Maybe

On 11/5/21 California Rep. Darrell Issa introduced H.R. 5909 to the US House of Representatives. This bill would authorize the Medal of Honor to be awarded to Captain E. Royce Williams USN (ret). This bill has been endorsed by over 100 generals and admirals.

On November 18, 1952 Lieutenant Williams, flying an F-9F-5 Panther from the USS Oriskany was jumped by seven (7) Russian (sic) MiG-15's intent on sinking the Oriskany in international waters off the Korean coast. Over the course of the next 35 minutes, he shot down six of the seven. He landed back on the Oriskany with 263 bullet and one 37 mm shell holes.
In the midst of the Cold War, this incident was instantly declared top secret, 146 Medals of Honor were awarded in the Korean War. Lt. Williams got a Silver Star without explanation.
The US Government declassified the story in December, 2017. His brother- a military aviator and his wife knew nothing about it! Capt. Williams is now 97 years old. This bill is still in the House Armed Service Committee awaiting a vote.
 
An heroic act by Lt Williams but MOH probably will never happen. Action was not officially recognized because of situation with USSR during Korean War and risk of expanding war with Communist power.
 
The right place...The wrong time

After a year, this bill has not advanced. Now days we don't need to rile up the Bear any further.

Incidentally, The Oriskany was built in New York City, and featured in the movie "The Bridges at Toko-Ri". It was Senator John McCain's last duty station.
 
mack said:
An heroic act by Lt Williams but MOH probably will never happen. Action was not officially recognized because of situation with USSR during Korean War and risk of expanding war with Communist power.
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Although Lt Williams risked his life with his heroic action, the MOH requirement by law is specific. It can only be awarded with heroic action against enemy armed forces. The USSR was not an enemy during the Korean War. That's why the bill can't go anywhere.
 
mack said:
Although Lt Williams risked his life with his heroic action, the MOH requirement by law is specific. It can only be awarded with heroic action against enemy armed forces. The USSR was not an enemy during the Korean War. That's why the bill can't go anywhere.
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Were they Russian Migs or North Korean Migs?
 
In lieu of his recent comments, mis-understood or otherwise, I hope Tom Brady is wearing RED this Friday. You know, Remember Everyone Deployed!
 
CFDMarshal said:
Were they Russian Migs or North Korean Migs?
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Some info from the book "Holding the Line" by Timothy Cleaver. After landing on board they counted 236 holes. F9F-5 BuNo125459 was pushed overboard. NSA monitoring showed they were Russian "volunteers" flying MIG's in North Korean markings. In addition the pilots names who died that day were published in a Soviet publication. But the powers that be did not want that information leaked fearing it would escalate a police action into WWIII.
 
grumpy grizzly said:
Some info from the book "Holding the Line" by Timothy Cleaver. After landing on board they counted 236 holes. F9F-5 BuNo125459 was pushed overboard. NSA monitoring showed they were Russian "volunteers" flying MIG's in North Korean markings. In addition the pilots names who died that day were published in a Soviet publication. But the powers that be did not want that information leaked fearing it would escalate a police action into WWIII.
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CFDMarshal said:
Were they Russian Migs or North Korean Migs?
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Soviet MIGs launched from a Russian air base.


Below is an account:

 

CORP Benjamin Harrison Fay ​

US Army/FDNY/NYPD​

Death - November 2, 1918

FDNY Line of Duty Death​

November 2, 1918 - LODD
Fireman/Corporal Benjamin H. Fay - Ladder 102
FDNY Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn. New York
KIA 106th Infantry, Machine Gun Company. World War I France. Before he was called away to the military, he was a New York City fireman, and ex-police officer


Entered service, April 2, 1918, from Brooklyn, NY. Assigned to Machine Gun Company, 106th Infantry Regiment, 27th Division. After training at Camp Wadsworth, SC, the 106th Infantry deployed to Europe, on May 10, 1918. He saw combat in both Belgium & France. He died of influenza on Nov. 2, 1919, in France.


Note: Benjamin Harrison Fay was a New York Fireman assigned to Ladder 102, which was originally Ladder 2, Brooklyn Fire Department. When they merged with the new, New York City Fire Department it was re-designated FDNY Ladder 2, then Ladder 52 and then in 1913 to its current designation Ladder 102. His birth was January 8th 1889. His death November 2nd 1918. His address was 137 Adelphi Street, Brooklyn, New York.



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CORP Fay's Helmet:

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27th Infantry Division

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106th Infantry​

World War I​

The 27th Division was organized in November 1917 into a "square division" of the US Army. It had two infantry brigades (each with two infantry regiments), along with an artillery brigade, machine gun battalions, and headquarters and support units During the reorganization, the 23rd New York Infantry Regiment was converted into the 106th Infantry Regiment, under the command of Col. Franklin W. Ward, and was assigned to the 53rd Infantry Brigade (now the 53rd Troop Command) alongside the 105th Infantry Regiment (former 2nd New York). When the regiment arrived in France, it had a strength of 3,003 officers and enlisted men, and it was moved into the front lines on 25 June 1918. The regiment relieved elements of the British 6th Division along the East Poperinghe Line in Belgium, where it remained with the other elements of the 27th Division. On 31 August 1918, the Ypres-Lys Offensive began, and the 106th Regiment was engaged in the reconnaissance efforts prior to the main battle. Alongside the 53rd Brigade and the rest of the 27th Division, the 106th attacked German position in the Second Somme Offensive from 24 September to 21 October 1918.This offensive proved to be the decisive action which broke the Hindenburg Line.


Ladder 102 former firehouse

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RIP. Never forget.
 
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I believe a B.C. in Battalion 33 who retired in the late 1990s was related to Fr. Fay.
Rest in peace.
 
mack said:

CORP Benjamin Harrison Fay ​

US Army/FDNY/NYPD​

Death - November 2, 1918

FDNY Line of Duty Death​

November 2, 1918 - LODD
Fireman/Corporal Benjamin H. Fay - Ladder 102
FDNY Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn. New York
KIA 106th Infantry, Machine Gun Company. World War I France. Before he was called away to the military, he was a New York City fireman, and ex-police officer


Entered service, April 2, 1918, from Brooklyn, NY. Assigned to Machine Gun Company, 106th Infantry Regiment, 27th Division. After training at Camp Wadsworth, SC, the 106th Infantry deployed to Europe, on May 10, 1918. He saw combat in both Belgium & France. He died of influenza on Nov. 2, 1919, in France.


Note: Benjamin Harrison Fay was a New York Fireman assigned to Ladder 102, which was originally Ladder 2, Brooklyn Fire Department. When they merged with the new, New York City Fire Department it was re-designated FDNY Ladder 2, then Ladder 52 and then in 1913 to its current designation Ladder 102. His birth was January 8th 1889. His death November 2nd 1918. His address was 137 Adelphi Street, Brooklyn, New York.



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CORP Fay's Helmet:

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27th Infantry Division

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106th Infantry​

World War I​

The 27th Division was organized in November 1917 into a "square division" of the US Army. It had two infantry brigades (each with two infantry regiments), along with an artillery brigade, machine gun battalions, and headquarters and support units During the reorganization, the 23rd New York Infantry Regiment was converted into the 106th Infantry Regiment, under the command of Col. Franklin W. Ward, and was assigned to the 53rd Infantry Brigade (now the 53rd Troop Command) alongside the 105th Infantry Regiment (former 2nd New York). When the regiment arrived in France, it had a strength of 3,003 officers and enlisted men, and it was moved into the front lines on 25 June 1918. The regiment relieved elements of the British 6th Division along the East Poperinghe Line in Belgium, where it remained with the other elements of the 27th Division. On 31 August 1918, the Ypres-Lys Offensive began, and the 106th Regiment was engaged in the reconnaissance efforts prior to the main battle. Alongside the 53rd Brigade and the rest of the 27th Division, the 106th attacked German position in the Second Somme Offensive from 24 September to 21 October 1918.This offensive proved to be the decisive action which broke the Hindenburg Line.


Ladder 102 former firehouse

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RIP. Never forget.
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mack said:

CORP Benjamin Harrison Fay ​

US Army/FDNY/NYPD​

Death - November 2, 1918

FDNY Line of Duty Death​

November 2, 1918 - LODD
Fireman/Corporal Benjamin H. Fay - Ladder 102
FDNY Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn. New York
KIA 106th Infantry, Machine Gun Company. World War I France. Before he was called away to the military, he was a New York City fireman, and ex-police officer


Entered service, April 2, 1918, from Brooklyn, NY. Assigned to Machine Gun Company, 106th Infantry Regiment, 27th Division. After training at Camp Wadsworth, SC, the 106th Infantry deployed to Europe, on May 10, 1918. He saw combat in both Belgium & France. He died of influenza on Nov. 2, 1919, in France.


Note: Benjamin Harrison Fay was a New York Fireman assigned to Ladder 102, which was originally Ladder 2, Brooklyn Fire Department. When they merged with the new, New York City Fire Department it was re-designated FDNY Ladder 2, then Ladder 52 and then in 1913 to its current designation Ladder 102. His birth was January 8th 1889. His death November 2nd 1918. His address was 137 Adelphi Street, Brooklyn, New York.



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CORP Fay's Helmet:

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27th Infantry Division

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106th Infantry​

World War I​

The 27th Division was organized in November 1917 into a "square division" of the US Army. It had two infantry brigades (each with two infantry regiments), along with an artillery brigade, machine gun battalions, and headquarters and support units During the reorganization, the 23rd New York Infantry Regiment was converted into the 106th Infantry Regiment, under the command of Col. Franklin W. Ward, and was assigned to the 53rd Infantry Brigade (now the 53rd Troop Command) alongside the 105th Infantry Regiment (former 2nd New York). When the regiment arrived in France, it had a strength of 3,003 officers and enlisted men, and it was moved into the front lines on 25 June 1918. The regiment relieved elements of the British 6th Division along the East Poperinghe Line in Belgium, where it remained with the other elements of the 27th Division. On 31 August 1918, the Ypres-Lys Offensive began, and the 106th Regiment was engaged in the reconnaissance efforts prior to the main battle. Alongside the 53rd Brigade and the rest of the 27th Division, the 106th attacked German position in the Second Somme Offensive from 24 September to 21 October 1918.This offensive proved to be the decisive action which broke the Hindenburg Line.


Ladder 102 former firehouse

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RIP. Never forget.
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Ladder 102's original quarters, the building on the left, was two doors away from its second quarters, pictured on the right.
 
t123ken said:
I believe a B.C. in Battalion 33 who retired in the late 1990s was related to Fr. Fay.
Rest in peace.
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On December 22,1966 Manhattan Box 813 was transmitted for a fire in a clothing store and adjacent bookstore of a four story building at 1169 Avenue of the Americas. Engine 54 had a line in the building when the three upper floors collapsed trapping seven men. This was followed by a gas explosion. All were successfully rescued. The last one removed was Harry Fay from 54's.

The same Harry Fay?
 
entropychaser said:
On December 22,1966 Manhattan Box 813 was transmitted for a fire in a clothing store and adjacent bookstore of a four story building at 1169 Avenue of the Americas. Engine 54 had a line in the building when the three upper floors collapsed trapping seven men. This was followed by a gas explosion. All were successfully rescued. The last one removed was Harry Fay from 54's.

The same Harry Fay?
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No, the one the 33 had a different name.
Coincidentally, though, I believe Chief Fay may have started out in Ladder 4.
 
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