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baileyjeff

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Saw a YouTube video today of Rescue 4 switching out from Rescue 1 former pierce into Rescue 3 spare rig. Anyone know why they switched into Rescue 3 spare rig and not there own?
 
Skyler Fire

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Rescue 4 main rig something with Transmission…
Rescue 4 Spare rig is at the shops been for awhile…

They used R6 until R3 got their spare ready for them.
 
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NYBravest82 said:
R4 gonna be running an ESU truck next.
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R5 is and has been in their former 2011 spare as well. At some point I've seen their old rig more times than their new one 2 years after it going into service. At one 10-75 in Brooklyn R5 Parked on the corner a few blocks away and broke down I believe. Emergency crew had to come.
 
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baileyjeff said:
Does Seagrave make a rescue
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Seagrave heavy rescues have their fair share of problems as well. A certain volunteer department in Rockland County NY bought a beautiful tandem axle heavy rescue in 2020. It was constantly going out of service for issues during its first year including down for 3 months while it had to go all the way back to the Seagrave factory due to body and door issues. Over a million dollars for a rig with that many issues in its first year !?!?!?
 
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jloonz said:
Start importing Japanese firetrucks they’re actually pretty top notch
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The problem is they are so small it would probably take 4 of them to carry everything the rescue carry!

The best rescue in recent years was the one from Pierce but it won't be because of the FDNY requirements
 
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Bulldog said:
The problem is they are so small it would probably take 4 of them to carry everything the rescue carry!

The best rescue in recent years was the one from Pierce but it won't be because of the FDNY requirements
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Pierce Rescue per the shops is the best rescue no issues what so ever! And the truck was flooded! Lol
 
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And the Pierce rigs have plenty of issues as well. Ask Miami Dade, Fort Lauderdale, and many others. They have all gotten away from Pierce. One of the problems with Pierce is they have purposely altered or manufactured cab and chassis parts that are proprietary and can only be purchased from Pierce. Example, let’s say you need a replacement power steering pump, or radiator, etc. many other fire apparatus manufacturers use common parts that are available through local auto parts or diesel truck repair dealers. Often the Pierce part is only available from Pierce. And the local Pierce dealers aren’t going to stock a huge inventory of parts. So it goes to the dealer and sits for 2-3 weeks awaiting a part to be shipped from Wisconsin. Crazy ! Pierce builds a great rig as far as fit and finish. But their service sucks. And their over reliance on advanced electronics such as the “command zone” incorporated into a majority of their pumpers and aerials often finds dealers in a position of finding certified fire apparatus technicians to fix them. No matter how well built the Rigs are and how they look, it all comes down to service. The wear and tear, duty cycling of aerial devices, road hazards, salt (winter) and engine/ pump start ups per month of FDNY rigs is challenging to any fire apparatus manufacturer. I think Seagrave has been dealing with FDNY long enough that they know the customer and build rigs best suited for The FDNY operating environment over many of its competitors. History and time appears to lend validity to this. Only the Mack’s were better, the American LaFrances were a disaster, the E-one prototypes built for FDNY in the 90’s didn’t cut it, and the Ferraras, well I’ll stop there. The Pierce Rescues for FDNY were well built but so were the Saulsbury’s. FDNY approached Alan Saulsbury about building pumpers and Aerials. Like Pierce he stayed away and he concentrated on specialty units before he sold the company to Federal Signal. Pumpers and Aerial devices have so many more systems and moving parts than a Rescue or Haz Mat unit. And the shear numbers, often 60-80 over 3-4 years makes for a tremendous investment in a nearby warranty center with the prospect that they could be outbid and lose the contract in 4 years or so. So Seagrave has the experience, warranty infrastructure and customer relationship with the FDNY products - and it appears to currrently be the best choice for engine, tower ladders, and straight sticks while the SOC pieces remain open to a variety of vendors. JMO
 
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Capttomo said:
And the Pierce rigs have plenty of issues as well. Ask Miami Dade, Fort Lauderdale, and many others. They have all gotten away from Pierce. One of the problems with Pierce is they have purposely altered or manufactured cab and chassis parts that are proprietary and can only be purchased from Pierce. Example, let’s say you need a replacement power steering pump, or radiator, etc. many other fire apparatus manufacturers use common parts that are available through local auto parts or diesel truck repair dealers. Often the Pierce part is only available from Pierce. And the local Pierce dealers aren’t going to stock a huge inventory of parts. So it goes to the dealer and sits for 2-3 weeks awaiting a part to be shipped from Wisconsin. Crazy ! Pierce builds a great rig as far as fit and finish. But their service sucks. And their over reliance on advanced electronics such as the “command zone” incorporated into a majority of their pumpers and aerials often finds dealers in a position of finding certified fire apparatus technicians to fix them. No matter how well built the Rigs are and how they look, it all comes down to service. The wear and tear, duty cycling of aerial devices, road hazards, salt (winter) and engine/ pump start ups per month of FDNY rigs is challenging to any fire apparatus manufacturer. I think Seagrave has been dealing with FDNY long enough that they know the customer and build rigs best suited for The FDNY operating environment over many of its competitors. History and time appears to lend validity to this. Only the Mack’s were better, the American LaFrances were a disaster, the E-one prototypes built for FDNY in the 90’s didn’t cut it, and the Ferraras, well I’ll stop there. The Pierce Rescues for FDNY were well built but so were the Saulsbury’s. FDNY approached Alan Saulsbury about building pumpers and Aerials. Like Pierce he stayed away and he concentrated on specialty units before he sold the company to Federal Signal. Pumpers and Aerial devices have so many more systems and moving parts than a Rescue or Haz Mat unit. And the shear numbers, often 60-80 over 3-4 years makes for a tremendous investment in a nearby warranty center with the prospect that they could be outbid and lose the contract in 4 years or so. So Seagrave has the experience, warranty infrastructure and customer relationship with the FDNY products - and it appears to currrently be the best choice for engine, tower ladders, and straight sticks while the SOC pieces remain open to a variety of vendors. JMO
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FDNY gives the low bidder the specs on how they want the rig built and with what. The Seagrave fdny gets is not the Seagrave everyone else gets. They all have their fair share of issues. It all comes down to spec’.
 
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A lot of departments are leaving Pierce and going to EOne because they can’t wait for the rig either. I know a department wait time was 3 years.
 
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