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nfd2004 said:
E92/L44 have been in the top 20 since 1974.
Runs & Workers 2012
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E92/L44 have been in the top 20 since 1974.
scamall dubh said:
You are exactly right. And as a buff, I studied the runs and workers, and my favorite buff area was E92/L44. Whether I was on the street near Mt Eden and Morris or the Micky Ds on Webster near Clairmont. I saw 92/44 first due in on a lot of activity. (Sherman, Sheriden, Echo, Marcy and on and on).
A good parameter is the amount of Boxes the 38th Bn has compared to the other Bn's, when I get back to my own computer I will look at the amt's for the busy Bn's, also the Engs & Trucks, then you all could have fun with the decifering of the info, LOL.
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JOR176 said:
Dont forget that info JOR176...
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Further to what has already been said on this thread, a good way to guage how busy a company is for actual working fires, is to view a record or log of how often an engine company stretches a line, or a truck puts its ladder up.
Having said that, im aware that busy engines such as E75 and E290 get quite a few trash fires, or fires in the street, which ofcourse may involve stretching a line to extinguish.
But harking back to the good old days of the 70s and 80s, when companies such as E58, saw trash can fires in and around thier first due district on an almost hourly basis. That old beaten up lime green mack on a cold winters day stretching its booster line on the sidewalk, with the locals and the vagrants stood around watching and waiting for the company to go, just to drag out another trashcan or light up another pile of trash or rubber to stay warm...I think the closest we have to that in the modern day new age FDNY is indeed E290... Yes a large response area.. But boy what an area.
JT
Having said that, im aware that busy engines such as E75 and E290 get quite a few trash fires, or fires in the street, which ofcourse may involve stretching a line to extinguish.
But harking back to the good old days of the 70s and 80s, when companies such as E58, saw trash can fires in and around thier first due district on an almost hourly basis. That old beaten up lime green mack on a cold winters day stretching its booster line on the sidewalk, with the locals and the vagrants stood around watching and waiting for the company to go, just to drag out another trashcan or light up another pile of trash or rubber to stay warm...I think the closest we have to that in the modern day new age FDNY is indeed E290... Yes a large response area.. But boy what an area.
JT
The amount of fire activity for ANY city is hard to compare with the fire activity in any city now. And not only building fires, but every other kind of fire. Car fires, rubbish fires, dumpster fires, even brush fires, everything was burning during those years. Maybe not in NYC but in other cities around, a busy engine company was doing 1,000 - 1,500 runs a year. But usually when they went out the door, they were putting water on some kind of fires.
Most didn't respond to the amount of medical calls or fire alarms as they do today. There wasn't the amount of battery operated smoke detectors like there is today. A fire could spread before somebody knew about it.
Cell phones have also changed things for reporting fires. At the first sign of a fire, most people will call it in. No more looking for a pay phone or fire box on the corner. It's pretty rare today that a fire gets a good head start.
Fire Investigations have come a long way from those 70s and 80s.
In the 70s/80s, going to just about any city, at least here in the northeast, there was a building fire. Not counting the FDNY, I could go to Newark, Boston, Bridgeport or Providence and see a fire.
Over the last three years, the busiest city for Working Fires has been New Haven in Connecticut. During that 3/4 year period, that city has the record of 77 Working Fires (10-75s or greater) for the entire state. But their War Years today are not the fires. Recently they went to a shooting where six people were shot. It's a different kind of War Years.
During one year in the mid 80s, Bridgeports (a similiar sized city) record was 751 Working Fires. Last year they had about 70 jobs.
For most places today, instead of the companies going to those trash can fires in the street, they are going to a seizure in the street. As I see it today, the FDNY isn't much different.
Most didn't respond to the amount of medical calls or fire alarms as they do today. There wasn't the amount of battery operated smoke detectors like there is today. A fire could spread before somebody knew about it.
Cell phones have also changed things for reporting fires. At the first sign of a fire, most people will call it in. No more looking for a pay phone or fire box on the corner. It's pretty rare today that a fire gets a good head start.
Fire Investigations have come a long way from those 70s and 80s.
In the 70s/80s, going to just about any city, at least here in the northeast, there was a building fire. Not counting the FDNY, I could go to Newark, Boston, Bridgeport or Providence and see a fire.
Over the last three years, the busiest city for Working Fires has been New Haven in Connecticut. During that 3/4 year period, that city has the record of 77 Working Fires (10-75s or greater) for the entire state. But their War Years today are not the fires. Recently they went to a shooting where six people were shot. It's a different kind of War Years.
During one year in the mid 80s, Bridgeports (a similiar sized city) record was 751 Working Fires. Last year they had about 70 jobs.
For most places today, instead of the companies going to those trash can fires in the street, they are going to a seizure in the street. As I see it today, the FDNY isn't much different.
You can try to compare R&Ws today with activity 40 years ago - and it is comparing apples to oranges. It is that different.
Definitions and rules - what is a run? what is a worker? who gets credit when relocating? does a run count when you get a ticket and it is cancelled 30 seconds later?
Accountability - now you get a computer ticket...automatic accountability...back then you kept track on a piece of paper...many runs were never even counted
EMS runs - high percentage of runs today... often much more difficult than simple garbage fires...todays FFs have to roll out of bed, access patient, immediately perform life-saving steps as EMTs and medics...1st due cardiac runs are a lot different than "unknown medical" runs
10-75s vs the old "fill out the box" or old 10-30 signals - many more companies pick up runs for working fires, even small working fires, because of availability today
multiples today vs then - I believe many 2nd alarms today would have been 2&2 or maybe all hands back then...many "all hands today would have been 2&2s back then
FAST or RIT assignments - did not exist back then...chiefs often kept an engine or truck in reserve if they could, but there were limited assets
HAZ-MAT responses - units did wash downs after accidents but environmental awareness was different and terrorist threat did not exist
Automatic alarms - many calls today to check out automatic alarms...Class 3 responses back then
MFAs or 10-92s - still a factor with runs but usually a reduced response...back then countless false alarms with 3&2 or 2&2 response with chief
Salvage - back then the NYFP was very active providing salvage and other services...Model Cities salvage units too...today extra truck work when special called for salvage operations
Things change. Actual fires are significantly reduced with better construction, better manufacturing, detectors, survellience, insurance changes, less manufacturing, arson investigation, fire prevention programs, elimination or destruction of old city neighborhoods built in the 1800s, new entertainment venues for kids whc etc.
But the demands of FFs today are increased with EMS, HAZ-MAT etc.
Different eras. Numbers don't tell it all. Difficult job today. But the "War Years" will always stand out as a remarkable firefighting era with exceptional, dedicated FFs
Definitions and rules - what is a run? what is a worker? who gets credit when relocating? does a run count when you get a ticket and it is cancelled 30 seconds later?
Accountability - now you get a computer ticket...automatic accountability...back then you kept track on a piece of paper...many runs were never even counted
EMS runs - high percentage of runs today... often much more difficult than simple garbage fires...todays FFs have to roll out of bed, access patient, immediately perform life-saving steps as EMTs and medics...1st due cardiac runs are a lot different than "unknown medical" runs
10-75s vs the old "fill out the box" or old 10-30 signals - many more companies pick up runs for working fires, even small working fires, because of availability today
multiples today vs then - I believe many 2nd alarms today would have been 2&2 or maybe all hands back then...many "all hands today would have been 2&2s back then
FAST or RIT assignments - did not exist back then...chiefs often kept an engine or truck in reserve if they could, but there were limited assets
HAZ-MAT responses - units did wash downs after accidents but environmental awareness was different and terrorist threat did not exist
Automatic alarms - many calls today to check out automatic alarms...Class 3 responses back then
MFAs or 10-92s - still a factor with runs but usually a reduced response...back then countless false alarms with 3&2 or 2&2 response with chief
Salvage - back then the NYFP was very active providing salvage and other services...Model Cities salvage units too...today extra truck work when special called for salvage operations
Things change. Actual fires are significantly reduced with better construction, better manufacturing, detectors, survellience, insurance changes, less manufacturing, arson investigation, fire prevention programs, elimination or destruction of old city neighborhoods built in the 1800s, new entertainment venues for kids whc etc.
But the demands of FFs today are increased with EMS, HAZ-MAT etc.
Different eras. Numbers don't tell it all. Difficult job today. But the "War Years" will always stand out as a remarkable firefighting era with exceptional, dedicated FFs
JOR176 said:
The following list consists of just the 1st due Street Boxes not the Subway nor the 8000 series (Class 3's)
28-- 334 37-- 121 42-- 320 58-- 460
31-- 207 38-- 131 43-- 244
32-- 196 39-- 581 44-- 250
33-- 481 40-- 334 48-- 217
35-- 272 41-- 286 57-- 166
The 28 Bn & The 39 Bn have the Queens assignments included as they are both 1st due in Queens.
I will do the BX next
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Jack...Thanks for the info.
Manhattan Bn 1st due Street boxes only
B01-- 208 B08-- 122 B13-- 147 + 18 Bx boxes
B02-- 122 B09-- 142 B16-- 175 + 4 Bx boxes
B04-- 137 B10-- 163
B06-- 131 B11-- 146
B07-- 115 B12-- 151
Staten Island Bn 1st due Street boxes only
B21-- 676
B22-- 884
B23-- 1269
Queens will be last
B01-- 208 B08-- 122 B13-- 147 + 18 Bx boxes
B02-- 122 B09-- 142 B16-- 175 + 4 Bx boxes
B04-- 137 B10-- 163
B06-- 131 B11-- 146
B07-- 115 B12-- 151
Staten Island Bn 1st due Street boxes only
B21-- 676
B22-- 884
B23-- 1269
Queens will be last