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Signal73

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Fire Location: 113 Franklin St

Fire on the 2nd floor of a commercial 100 X 10”

B-45 All Hands s/c (2) trucks (1) to be a TL

E-238,229,221,206,211
L-106,146,128(Fast),115,108s/c119s/c
B-45,28
R-4
Sq-288
D-11
Rac-2
 
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Report of smoke 2nd floor of commercial occupancy 100'x100' Class 3

B45: using 1 Engine & 1 Truck, investigating smoke condition 2nd floor

B45: All Hands (E206 & L115 assigned),1 L/S

D11: (2) precautionary lines stretched - (1) to 2nd floor, (1) to sprinkler siamese - smoke 2nd floor

D11: s/c add'l TL (L111)

D11: s/c add'l BC (B35)

D11: still searching for sourse of the smoke - 2nd precautionary line stretched to 2nd floor

D11: we have fire in the 1/2 corner, s/c (2) add'l Trucks (L176 act. L106 & L104) & s/c FT (L154 act. L128) to replace the FT

SB: assign us to the Box

D11: PWH (duration 1 hr. 43 min.)

D11: the 2nd HL was stretched to roof & operated into the ductwork

B45: s/c (2) Engines & (2) Trucks for relief

E202 act. E211
L157 act. L111
L161 act. L157
L176 act. L106
L43 act. L106
L154 act. L128
L148 act. L108
E277 act. E238
L3 act. L104
E217 act. E229
B49 act. B45
 
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That's good. Trucks are only useful 100-75 feet in front of the fire building. An engine could be a block away and still do it's job.
 
Don't like throwing hand grenades, but, why are we the only dept. in the country that doesn't count the officer in the manpower? Technically every engine has 5 people, every truck has six. Some engines have six. I was around for "5 man engines". Does it help absolutely! There are some cities that are doing more work than us. A lot/most of them are doing it with two in the front, and two in the back. We are lucky to still have at least three in the back. just putting it out there. Bash away!
 
flounder8545 said:
Don't like throwing hand grenades, but, why are we the only dept. in the country that doesn't count the officer in the manpower? Technically every engine has 5 people, every truck has six. Some engines have six. I was around for "5 man engines". Does it help absolutely! There are some cities that are doing more work than us. A lot/most of them are doing it with two in the front, and two in the back. We are lucky to still have at least three in the back. just putting it out there. Bash away!
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Because they arent in the manpower. They have a different job. And both jobs cant be done safely together.

most cities have less manpower and “do more work” because they have no choice. They arent going to the negotiating table and saying to the city “we do this job with 2 guys on the back because we’re good at it, no thanks on the raise or the extra manpower.”
And 99.9999 percent of the rest of this country doesnt have hoseline stretches that most of the bronx, manhattan, and significant parts of brooklyn and queens do. We wouldnt have much of a city left if we didnt have the manpower we do. And even then most of the stretches in larger buildings take 2 and sometimes 3 engines.
 
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Duh! I know they're not in the manpower. Did this job for 30+ years. Yes, are there are parts of the city that have some super long stretches. Even before we lost the fifth man, two and three engines were doing the longer stretches. As far as your 99.99999, there are some cities, towns that have hard to reach projects, factories, housing developments that have few hydrants, etc. I remember stretches in the Bronx, where I could in theory, walk to the bodega, get a bacon and egg on a roll, and they would still be stretching. What would prevent the second, or third engine boss from helping. Other places look at our manpower and go wow! Don't think that they don't ask for more people. My statement still stands. We have 5-6 people an an engine, and 6 most of the time on a truck. The average all hands job gets damn close to 60 people. I consider that being blessed.
 
flounder8545 said:
Duh! I know they're not in the manpower. Did this job for 30+ years. Yes, are there are parts of the city that have some super long stretches. Even before we lost the fifth man, two and three engines were doing the longer stretches. As far as your 99.99999, there are some cities, towns that have hard to reach projects, factories, housing developments that have few hydrants, etc. I remember stretches in the Bronx, where I could in theory, walk to the bodega, get a bacon and egg on a roll, and they would still be stretching. What would prevent the second, or third engine boss from helping. Other places look at our manpower and go wow! Don't think that they don't ask for more people. My statement still stands. We have 5-6 people an an engine, and 6 most of the time on a truck. The average all hands job gets damn close to 60 people. I consider that being blessed.
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The officer isn’t in the manpower because he isn’t providing any. He is supervising. Supervising and the communications link between the hoseline, search teams, and command. A pretty critical role if you ask me.

All fires eventually go out but there is a big difference between a fire in an apartment complex with hundreds of residents being extinguished in 15-20 minutes vs being extinguished in an hour or two.

In 2009 or so, a deep study was done by NYU or something like that that actually put a DOLLAR AMOUNT attached to what the FDNY does on a yearly basis. Savings due to stopping a fire quickly. It was in the Billions
 
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