12/11/23 Bronx 10-60 Collapse Box 4785
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ABC News and former Chief from NYPD both stated that a "Crane" is in position at the collapse. The crane was in fact a Tower Ladder positioned at the "Apex - Corner" of the building, along with 2 other Tower Ladders. As a very experienced FDNY fire officer, this is an excellent use of Tower Ladders at any serious collapse. Collapse Procedures normally require a Tower Ladder or Snorkel in front of the collapsed building/s. REASONS:
1. Control of any secondary fire,
2. as an elevated observation point to look for surface casualties and signs of secondary collapse.
3, To allow the possible removal of people trapped in the upper part or noncollapsing areas of the building/s
4. To allow evaluation of the collapse by Chief officers, the building department Engineers and by Trained U.S.A.R. Leaders.
5. To allow photographs of the collapse to be taken and compared to photographs taken BEFORE the Collapse to help determine the locations of anyone trapped and to be used for determination of the cause of the collapse. Computer software exist that can evaluate photographs and/or "Scans of the building/s, to further examine where people still trapped may be and also again the causes of the collapse.
WE MUST ALL THANK THE LONDON FIRE BRIGADE FOIR THIER VALIENT WORK DURING THE WW-II BLITZ WHO DEVELOPED THE STEP-BY-STEP PROCEDURES USED BY INFORMED COLLAPSE RESCURERS. PHOTO FOR WW-II BLITZ IB ENGLAND BELOW
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It’s on the other side of the deegan closer to the river
Citywide tour commander. Some staff chiefs who serve in other roles (training, fire prevention, etc) as well as some of the chiefs in the bureau of operations do 24 hour rotations as the tour commander. Assigned on the third alarm I believe, but can also respond at their discretion. Not sure if they'd be assigned on a 10-60 or if it was discretionary, but it makes sense given a large scale incident.
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“{ 12 HOURS LATER VIDEO }”…..”{ FDNY BOX 4785 }”…..”{ 12 HOURS VIDEO AFTER THE FDNY OPERATED AT A 10-60/MAJOR EMERGENCY FOR A PARTIAL BUILDING COLLAPSE ON BILLINGSLEY TERRACE IN THE MORRIS HEIGHTS AREA OF THE BRONX IN NEW YORK CITY }”…..
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I believe normally the Borough Commander or their deputy is on the 3rd or on the chiefs discretion.
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There are many reasons why the Chief of Training can and sometimes should be on scene of multiple alarms and major incidents for reasons other than being the citywide tour commander. Staff Chiefs often are reassigned commands during their tenures on staff. The Chief of Training today could be the Chief of Operations tomorrow, or even the Chief of Department down the road. How many times have we all heard those staff Chiefs have forgotten where they came from, they have no idea what goes on here in the street. But when one does show up at the scene of a job - it’s what’s he doing here. It’s a different story if the staff Chief is acting like an ass and walking around all over telling BC’s and DC’s what to do…. But that’s usually not the case. Another unique and very important reason for the Chief of Training to respond to multiples and large scale incidents is to observe the effectiveness of operations, tools, techniques, apparatus positioning, command procedures NOT from a disciplinary perspective but from a training and improvement perspective. Standing back while not being immersed in the incident can yield a wealth of ideas for new tools, equipment, procedures, items that need to be reinforced in various command training programs and courses, even looking at generally how are the probies performing. Many ideas come from the companies on up. The Blitzfires were being used nationwide at least 15 years before FDNY started using them. So a staff chief is at the scene of a multiple and sees crews struggling to place a multiversal in service or sees the limitations of a 2 -1/2” operating into a bay door at a warehouse and suddenly recalls hey Captain so and so over in Engine XXX was talking about these blitzfire things. Suddenly a staff chief is a big advocate for the idea. Chief Frank Leeb was Chief of Training until going to Safety. He went to many of these jobs as an AC. He and several at the rock began creating the Tips from Training Bulletins. Within 12 hours of this collapse yesterday another tips from Training bulletin came out regarding things to remember and think about while operating at an incident of this type. Nothing negative - all positive and helpful with the intent of keeping the members safe. The past tips from training have highlighted Lithium Ion battery fires, new types of garage doors, garbage truck fires, roof operations where photovoltaic devices are in place etc. These bulletins come out sometimes within hours of an specific job and often highlight new and emerging threats to member safety long before any policies or procedures can be developed, reviewed and adopted. In the past there have been Chiefs who just did their time rotating through the rock. But others really are trying to keep FDNY up to date and modernized. Case in point. 10 years ago FDNY was sending members down to Ft Lauderdale FL for shipboard firefighting and use of a huge shipboard firefighting prop. Now FDNY has its own program. Staff chiefs need to get out and see what’s going on, an not just 9-5. When the staff chief shows up at 0330 on a rainy 35 degree night in January… that says something. The question I would always ask if someone questions WTF is a staff Chief doing here. Is it interfering in operations? Is it keeping you from doing your job? No…. Ok then so what. Hopefully the Staff Chief that showed up tonight has your backs, is getting the BC’s and Divisions any help they need and compliments the members on a job well done while keeping an open mind towards innovation and positive improvement of operations- ok I need a beer now. Stay safe everyone, enjoy the holidays.
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Citywide Tour Commanders DAC and ACs they do 24 rotation. Responding to all 3rd alarms and major emergencies. It’s a very busy day sometimes because they have to deal with whatever goes on all day. Paper work, 10-45s, firefighters that got hurt, in trouble, wakes, funerals, staffing issues, press issues, etc when no AC or DAC they will take the highest ranking DC working to be Car 421 or Car 422 for the 24 hours or half tour
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NYC says Bronx building inspector made grave error that likely led to collapse
NYC says Bronx building inspector made grave error that likely led to collapse
The engineer made a grave error in a report following inspections in 2020 and 2021, the NYC Department of Buildings commissioner told CBS New York.
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Now reports are the workers were removing bricks from this "decorative" column?
Also, building folks, chime in on the steel piers that usually form the base of these MDs from the 1920s. I know many have rotted and bent over the years, but this one doesn't seem to even be there at all.
Also, building folks, chime in on the steel piers that usually form the base of these MDs from the 1920s. I know many have rotted and bent over the years, but this one doesn't seem to even be there at all.
