12/16/22 Brooklyn 4th Alarm Box 1550

[grumpy grizzly]

Fire Location: 80 Clarkson Ave

E-249 gave the 10-75

Fire in a 6 story MD 120 x 200 Class 3
L-147 Fast

E-249,248,255,281
L-113,157,147(Fast)
B-41*,48
R-2
Sq-1
D-15
Rac-2

*ABC

B-41 Transmit a 2nd Alarm fire in the cockloft @17:42

2nd Alarm
E-310,234,219,220
E-284 w/ Sat. 3
L-174,132
B-38(FF)
B-57(RUL)
B-58(Safety)
RB,SB
FC
Tac-2
RM-1
CTU

D-15 transmit a 3rd Alarm @17:56

3rd Alarm
E-250,226,227,214,332(Comm)
L-153 Act. 157,123,105s/c,148s/c
B-44*(FF)
B-31(Staging)
B-43 Act. 41s/c,33s/c
Rac-1
Mask
Car-23D
Car-4F
Car-12C

*ABC

FC s/c 2 Trucks & 2 BCs into the command post @18:10

FC transmit a 4th Alarm

4th Alarm
E-321 Act. 248,253 Act. 240,222 Act. 234,283
L-176 Act. 113,109 Act. 147
L-156 Act. 174s/c,140 Act. 123s/c
L-107(Fast)s/c
R-5s/c
Sq-252s/c
Car-11
Car-4
Car-4A
Car-16C
Car-12
Car-22H

FC s/c an additional Rescue & Squad

FC s/c 2 more trucks @1840

FC per Car-4A AVFKD. Still hitting pockets of fire. In the process of releasing the Rescues & Squads. DWH @19:15

FC per Car-4A. Under Control @20:13

Duration 2 Hours & 40 Minutes

Watch Line
E-
L-

Relocations:
Engine 3 Act. Engine 282
Ladder 11 Act. Ladder 132
Battalion 6 Act. Battalion 57

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6 story 120'x200' Class 3 MD

E249 gave 10-75, fire 5th floor, maybe top floor

D15: heavy fire in cockloft of B wing, 2 L/S/O, 3 add'l lines being stretched

FC: (1) 10-45 No Code

B43 act. B41 s/c

FC: 5 L/S - 4 L/O, Cockloft nozzle operating, heavy fire in B wing, trench cut being made

FC: by order of Car4A transmit 4-4 alarm

FC: B31 has moved Staging Area to Bedford Ave. & Linden B'lvd.
4th Engines (E321 act. E248, E253 act. E240, E222 act. E234, E283)

FC: s/c (2) Trucks to SA (L176 act. L113 & L109 act. L147)

FC: s/c add'l Squad (S252) & add'l Rescue (R5)

FC: 5 L/S/O (including cockloft nozzle), trench cut has been made, there are now (2) 10-45s, both Code 4

FC: s/c new FT (L107 act. L157) to relieve FT (L147)

FC: by order of Car4A, AVFKD, hitting pockets of fire, relieving Squads & Rescues, remains doubtful (duration 1 hr. 40 min.)

FC: by order of Car4A, PWH (duration 1 hr. 53 min.)

FC: by order of Car4A, all secondary searches are complete & negative, fire UC (duration 2 hr. 40 min.)

FC: s/c Engine (E74) & Truck (L?) for watch line

Cars 4A, 22C, 24 all 10-84

L176 act. L113
L154 act. L113
L153 act. L157
L107 act. L157
E230 act. E280
E321 act. E248
E292 act. E248
E299 act. E292
E222 act. E234
E305 act. E234
E253 act. E240
B43 act. B41
L166 act. L156
L109 act. L147
L110 act. L147
E205 act. E255
E206 act. E222
E323 act. E250
B51 act. B44
B4 act. B38
S288 act. R2
L140 act. L123
L156 act. L174
L125 act. L174
L15 act. L105
L1 act. L110
B46 act. B33
E285 act. E283

What does ABC means next to B-41?

 

[Signal73]

What does ABC means next to B-41?

Acting Battalion Chief

 

[RCL]

So what are the ABC roles at a fire? Or in general? I've seen several large fires where chiefs were special called and say fc made the statement of make sure there not ABC.

 

[Bulldog]

So what are the ABC roles at a fire? Or in general? I've seen several large fires where chiefs were special called and say fc made the statement of make sure there not ABC.

ABCs normally have the same roles as a Battalion Chief would, if FC made a statement such as you mentioned it could be because he was going to be assigned to a special duty that needed additional training. Something such as foam operations, roof operations, etc. I've never heard this happen very often because somebody would be an ABC is normally (possibly all the time I'm not quite sure) a captain so they would have considerable experience in most operations.

 

[8060rock]

Not sure I remember 100% correctly, but the ABC is usually a captain who is on the BC promotional list

 

[RCL]

ABCs normally have the same roles as a Battalion Chief would, if FC made a statement such as you mentioned it could be because he was going to be assigned to a special duty that needed additional training. Something such as foam operations, roof operations, etc. I've never heard this happen very often because somebody would be an ABC is normally (possibly all the time I'm not quite sure) a captain so they would have considerable experience in most operations.

I can see that. I remember seeing it in several multi alarm fires fc special called say 2 chiefs and added the make sure there not ABC. I've seen it also where say B39 and B51 are responding to a fire, with say the 39 as an ABC and the 51 will take command even though they are 2nd due. Which made me think a little about it. One of them though was the major foam ops fire in Staten Island about a year ago or so.

 

[Lt. Q]

If there’s isn’t a captain available who is on the promotional list, I’ve seen where the take the most senior captain.

 

[tom113]

If there’s isn’t a captain available who is on the promotional list, I’ve seen where the take the most senior captain.

I was a newly promoted Capt. in the Bronx. This was my second tour and I get a call from the Division and they tell me that I'm the ABC tomorrow on my second day tour. I remind the Aide of my seniority and he tells me that they are aware and that I'm the only Captain available. Thanks to my prayers, all goes well.

 

[8060rock]

Good luck tomorrow Tom - I'm sure you'll be fine - I'll be watching for that multiple!!!

 

[tom113]

Good luck tomorrow Tom - I'm sure you'll be fine - I'll be watching for that multiple!!!

This was in 1990.

 

[memorymaster]

This was in 1990.

I guess it went well then..... lol

 

[8060rock]

This was in 1990.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, well guess it went well anyway

 

[Extra One & One]

ABCs normally have the same roles as a Battalion Chief would, if FC made a statement such as you mentioned it could be because he was going to be assigned to a special duty that needed additional training. Something such as foam operations, roof operations, etc. I've never heard this happen very often because somebody would be an ABC is normally (possibly all the time I'm not quite sure) a captain so they would have considerable experience in most operations.

You are correct Bulldog about certain roles that an ABC can’t fill. The one I am aware of is safety chief (not the Safety Battalion), but the BC chief assigned to safety before the arrival of the SB. All battalion chiefs go through training on the safety chief’s operations, which I don’t believe captains receive.

On a 10-66 (missing, lost, trapped FF), ABC’s are not assigned the positions of FAST Group Supervisor or FAST FF Locator Officer. However, as with all things in the fire service, sometimes out of necessity, an ABC, may assume the role/s until the arrival of a battalion chief.

 

[68jk09]

I was a fairly new CPT & the DV called me & said "tomorrow your gonna be a ABC" I said I am new ...they said " you have 26 yrs.. your it" ....the next day I am sitting in the BN office talking to the BN*FF & a phone alarm is announced over the Dept Radio & the BN*FF says if thats a job we will be the AH Chief & with that he looks out the window & says " oh boy that looks like a job" ...I figure he's kidding but at the same time ...10-75...then the 1st Due gives "Second Alarm ..Fire in 2 bldgs"....now we get in the BN Rig & I hear the 1st Due BN give " we will be delayed from a Drill" .....so we wind up 1st BC......on a different note in more recent times the policy now is that when an ABC is working & 1st Due he is to turn a routine job over to the next arriving regular BC.....my thought is if the ABC can be the Chief for the tour but is not qualified to run a routine job if one occurs then don't have an ABC in the first place.....hire a regular BC to fill the opening.

 

[Extra One & One]

I was a fairly new CPT & the DV called me & said "tomorrow your gonna be a ABC" I said I am new ...they said " you have 26 yrs.. your it" ....the next day I am sitting in the BN office talking to the BN*FF & a phone alarm is announced over the Dept Radio & the BN*FF says if thats a job we will be the AH Chief & with that he looks out the window & says " oh boy that looks like a job" ...I figure he's kidding but at the same time ...10-75...then the 1st Due gives "Second Alarm ..Fire in 2 bldgs"....now we get in the BN Rig & I hear the 1st Due BN give " we will be delayed from a Drill" .....so we wind up 1st BC......on a different note in more recent times the policy now is that when an ABC is working & 1st Due he is to turn a routine job over to the next arriving regular BC.....my thought is if the ABC can be the Chief for the tour but is not qualified to run a routine job if one occurs then don't have an ABC in the first place.....hire a regular BC to fill the opening.

That’s a great story chief! As for an ABC being relieved by another BC, your point is well taken!

Question for you: Do they offer over-time to battalion chiefs before filling with a captain? Where I worked, if the lieutenant was off, by contract they had to offer it to the lieutenants. If no lieutenant took it, then a sergeant would be bumped up to acting lieutenant for the shift

 

[tom113]

That’s a great story chief! As for an ABC being relieved by another BC, your point is well taken!

Question for you: Do they offer over-time to battalion chiefs before filling with a captain? Where I worked, if the lieutenant was off, by contract they had to offer it to the lieutenants. If no lieutenant took it, then a sergeant would be bumped up to acting lieutenant for th

That’s a great story chief! As for an ABC being relieved by another BC, your point is well taken!

Question for you: Do they offer over-time to battalion chiefs before filling with a captain? Where I worked, if the lieutenant was off, by contract they had to offer it to the lieutenants. If no lieutenant took it, then a sergeant would be bumped up to acting lieutenant for the shift

IN FDNY. I believe they can offer Comp Time. No O/T for BC's.

 

[Grogan Fire Photo]

Relief purposes Rescue was turned around only squad kept in

Both Rescue 5 and Squad 252 were 84 at the command post. But after a few mins they were released.

 

[Grogan Fire Photo]

Hopefully ill have the photos and videos done shortly.

 

[Lebby]

That’s a great story chief! As for an ABC being relieved by another BC, your point is well taken!

Question for you: Do they offer over-time to battalion chiefs before filling with a captain? Where I worked, if the lieutenant was off, by contract they had to offer it to the lieutenants. If no lieutenant took it, then a sergeant would be bumped up to acting lieutenant for the shift

DC?

 

[Grogan Fire Photo]