12/20/23 Queens 5th Alarm Box 7254

On a top floor/cockloft fire like this, how far down the building will there be water damage? How long does it usually take to get everyone reestablished back in the building?
 
Surprised neither Chief Hodgens or Esposito havnt attended this incident. I know Car 4A is proberly Espositos Deputy.
 
Question. I know there's probably more then 1 unit with a RM designation. So when we see RM request a RAC like in an earlier post, is that Resource Management(er) or the Rescue Medics?
Along the same lines I see RM listed with other specialized units like CTU for different emergencies. Is that a Rescue Medic designation or a Resource Manager?
 
RCL said:
Question. I know there's probably more then 1 unit with a RM designation. So when we see RM request a RAC like in an earlier post, is that Resource Management(er) or the Rescue Medics?
Along the same lines I see RM listed with other specialized units like CTU for different emergencies. Is that a Rescue Medic designation or a Resource Manager?
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In this case it is the Rac(rehab) manager
 
dan said:
As of now there are 29 engines, 21 trucks and 14 BC's on scene.....to many special units and staff to mention or care about
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40 years ago, the amount of units for this operation would be considered obscene :oops:
It seems that the old strategy and tactics that were written, improved upon and successfully implemented in the past are being suspended too early on in favor of going with T/Ls in an exterior operation. That was considered going to the Hail Mary play.
 
entropychaser said:
On a top floor/cockloft fire like this, how far down the building will there be water damage? How long does it usually take to get everyone reestablished back in the building?
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Between the water/mold & smoke damage most of the involved wing will be severely damaged. The problem is repairs usually get held up by the insurance companies until a cause is determined by both the FD and the insurance company's own investigators. Repairs could take a year or more.
 
entropychaser said:
On a top floor/cockloft fire like this, how far down the building will there be water damage? How long does it usually take to get everyone reestablished back in the building?
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Most likely all the way down roughly in a line from where the water is being applied. Besides the obvious of water pooling and running down stairwells, it'll find every chase, crack or hole and gravity does the rest.
 
seniorofficer said:
40 years ago, the amount of units for this operation would be considered obscene :oops:
It seems that the old strategy and tactics that were written, improved upon and successfully implemented in the past are being suspended too early on in favor of going with T/Ls in an exterior operation. That was considered going to the Hail Mary play.
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Luckily it isnt considered obscene anymore and the proper resources can be used especially with how we have been treated by the last 3 administrations. Call everyone, fuck the city.
 
UnitWithTheUrgent said:
Address: 43-09 47th Ave. off 43rd St.

Fire on the top floor & cockloft of a 6 story 100x200 class 3 MD

Phone Alarm - Reporting smoke on the 6th floor - 12:04

QD to L-128: We are getting apt. 6M & 6L - 12:06

B-45: 10-75 - Fire on the top floor - Extra E&T (E-238 & H&L-106) - 12:08

TL-163 FAST

B-45: All Hands - Fire on the top floor with possible extension to the cockloft - 1 L/S/O - 12:11

B-45: Fire apt. is 6M it was a vacant apt. - 12:12

B-45: Transmit the 2nd Alarm - Heavy smoke in the cockloft - 12:12

B-28 RUL, B-35 Safety, E-324,w/ Sat. 4

B-45: Have a TL setup at the corner of 47th Ave. & 43rd St. (TL-115) - 12:15

B-45: 2 L/S, 1 L/O - We do have fire in the cockloft - 12:16

B-49: Transmit a 3rd Alarm - 12:22

B-8 Staging, B-58 Air Recon, E-332 Comm.

D-14: Transmit a 4th Alarm with 2 additional trucks - 12:40

FC: Special call 2 additional trucks (H&L-104 & L-108) - 12:46

FC: Special call a truck to relieve the FAST truck (L-102 act. 106) - 13:03

FC: Fire in the top 2 wings extending to a 3rd - 4 L/S/O, 3 TL's in operation - Dropping members off the top floor to the 5th floor - 13:05

FC: Special call 3 BC's (B-10 act. 46, 32 act. 37, 31) - 13:13

FC: Transmit a full 5th Alarm - 13:15

FC: Special call 2 additional trucks (H&L-101 act. 106 & TL-51 act. 115) - 13:29

FC: Special call 2 additional trucks (L-136 act. 154 & TL-146) - 13:39

FC: Special call 2 engines (E-299 act. 259, 80 act. 292) - 13:55

FC: Per C-4a, 4 L/S/O, 3 TL's setup, 1 TL in operation - Special call 2 engines (E-313 act. & E-235 act.) - 14:03

FC: Special call a truck to relieve the FAST truck (TL-142 act. 163) - 14:10

FC: Special call 2 BC's (B-14 act. 45, B-54 act. 46) - 14:18

FC: Special call 4 engines (E-73 act. 258, 275 act. 287, 81 act. 262, 53 act. 260) - 14:28

FC: We have (10) 10-45 code 4's - 14:47

FC: Per C-4a, Still have a heavy fire condition in the rear of the C wing - 14:51

RM: Special call an additional RAC (RAC-4) - 15:01

FC: Per C-4a, Special call 2 engines & 4 trucks (E-230 act. 259, 331 act. 292, TL-152 act. 163, 4 act. 128, 116, 119 act. 117) - 15:14

FC: Per C-15, Special call 2 trucks (H&L-118 act. 106, 150 act. 136) - PWH - 15:35

FC: Special call 2 trucks (TL-41 act. 163, H&L-20 act. 6) - 16:07

FC: Special call a truck to relieve the FAST truck (TL-138) - 16:19

FC: Per Car 15, Under Control - 16:35

Duration: 4 Hours & 32 Minutes

FC: We're establishing a watchline that consists of an engine, 95ft TL & BC (E-319, TL-21 & B-52) - 16:51

D-14: Special call an aerial ladder also (L-59 act. 116) - 17:23

Maybe:
E-259, 325, 292, 258, 238 s/c
L-128, 154 (act. 116), 163F, 106 s/c
B-45, 49
R-4
SQ-288
D-14
RAC-2

2nd Alarm Maybe:
E-263, 287, 312
L-117, 115 s/c
B-46, 28R, 35S
FC, SB, RB, TSU-1, CTU, RM
E-324 w/ Sat. 4
Car-23d

3rd Alarm:
E-260, 307, 262, 206
L-136
B-37, 8 Staging, 58 Air Recon
MSU
E-332 Communications
RAC-3
Car-11, 12b, 22f

4th Alarm Maybe:
E-16 (act. 292), 221, 237, 271
L-160 (act. 163), 16, 104 s/c, 108 s/c, 102F s/c
B-57, 10 (act. 46) s/c, 32 (act. 37) s/c, 31 s/c
RAC-4
Car-12, 15a

5th Alarm:
E-65 (act. 260), 315 (act.), 68 (act. 312), 277 (act. 206)
L-54 (act. 117), 26 (act. 136)
B-39
Car-15, 4a, 24, 22b

Special calls above the 5th Alarm:
E-299 (act. 259), 80 (act. 292), 313 (act.), 235 (act.), 73 (act. 258), 275 (act. 287), 81 (act. 262), 53 (act. 260), 230 (act. 299), 331 (act. 292)
L-101 (act. 106), 51 (act. 115), 130 (act. 154), 146, 142F (act. 163), 152 (act. 163), 4 (act. 128), 116, 119 (act. 117), 118 (act. 106), 150 (act. 154), 41 (act. 163), 20 (act. 106), 138F
B-14 (act. 45), 54 (act. 46), 17 (act. 45), 41 (act. 28)

Watchline at 17:00
E-319
L-21, 59 (act. 116)
B-52

Relocations:
E-16 to E-292
E-80 to E-292
E-331 to E-292
E-60 to E-292
E-73 to E-258
E-68 to E-312
E-299 to E-259
E-230 to E-259
E-64 to E-289
E-88 to E-299
E-275 to E-287
E-227 to E-287
E-323 to E-227
E-55 to E-237
E-283 to E-271
E-277 to E-206
E-224 to E-206
E-62 to E-263
E-294 to E-291
E-81 to E-262
E-22 to E-262
E-65 to E-260
E-53 to E-260
E-3 to E-260
L-160 to L-163
L-142 to L-163
L-152 to L-163
L-41 to L-163
L-158 to L-152
L-130 to L-154
L-26 to L-136
L-101 to L-106
L-102 to L-106
L-118 to L-106
L-20 to L-106
L-34 to L-20
L-150 to L-136
L-54 to L-117
L-119 to L-117
L-123 to L-119
L-5 to L-104
L-4 to L-128
L-176 to L-108
L-131 to L-146
L-59 to L-116
B-14 to B-45
B-17 to B-45
B-10 to B-46
B-32 to B-37
B-1 to B-35
B-41 to B-28
B-48 to B-41
B-4 to B-8
B-54 to B-46
B-12 to B-49
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Great rundown UWTU!
 
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