40 years ago the fires didnt burn as hot and not with the amount of oil based contents and smoke.40 years ago, the amount of units for this operation would be considered obscene
It seems that the old strategy and tactics that were written, improved upon and successfully implemented in the past are being suspended too early on in favor of going with T/Ls in an exterior operation. That was considered going to the Hail Mary play.
Chicago has used specials since the dawn of time. Beginning in late 1927 CFD began switching from 3-11 running cards to 5--11 cards. The Burlington Fire (1922 ?) ran out the card with a 3-11 and 10 specials. Ken Little was working at Main FAO on 1/21/57 when they hit a 5-11 and 8 specials for the Continental Grain Elevator at 93rd Street and the Calumet River. On the 8th special were 3 engines and 2 squads.
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And 40 years ago we didn't wear bunker gear and didn't carry all the extra equipment that the troops do today. Tower ladders were still relatively new and we were still finding out what they could do and what advantages they presented.
A popped sprinkler head running for 10 minutes will make its way down many many floors easily. A 500-600 GPM Tower Ladder stream will easily go all the way to the basement.
At that Queen 8th Alarm a year or so ago, I had a friend in one of the apartments (not affected), he never moved back in.
"We had to burn down the village to save it"...Looks like water damage on top floor fires can easily exceed fire damage.
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Actually, in most parts of the country outside of a few of the big cities that amount of equipment and manpower doesn't exist. It wouldn't be considered obscene because it isn't available.40 years ago, the amount of units for this operation would be considered obscene
A Fire such as this requiring such extinguishing effort & water would generally damage apts down to the lowest level & possibly heating units in the cellar.....time frame to get residents back in the bldg would vary.....aside from water damage below another important consideration during the actual FD operation is the possibility of burning embers dropping down in old dumbwaiter shafts....pipe chases...& in vertical steel channel rails ......sometime causing a secondary Fire on a lower floor ......also carbon monoxide in a serious quantity can & has travelled DOWN thru these avenues....CO is slightly lighter than air but pressure from a serious expanding Fire can force it DOWN a good distance if conditions are right.
You’re not wrong.40 years ago, the amount of units for this operation would be considered obscene
It seems that the old strategy and tactics that were written, improved upon and successfully implemented in the past are being suspended too early on in favor of going with T/Ls in an exterior operation. That was considered going to the Hail Mary play.
