12/24/25 Queens 3rd Alarm Box 1464

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Fire Location: 1 Beach 193 St (Silver Gull Beach Club)

E-329 gave the 10-75

Fire in a 1 story beach club 100 X 100 Class 2

*Hydrant located at south end of entrance*

Exposures: 1. Cabana 2. Beach 3. Beach 4. Cabana

E-329 2nd Alarm

E-329,268,266,309,265
L-137,159,121(Fast),169
B-47,33
R-4
Sq-252
D-13
Rac-4
Ma-9
MB

*Sq252 replaced Sq270

E-329 Transmit a 2nd Alarm on arrival

2nd Alarm
E-323,321,246
E-284 w/ Sat. 3
L-157
B-58(FF)
B-43(RUL)
B-39(Safety)
RB,SB
FC
Tac-2
RM-1
CTU
Ma-6
Rockaway Point Vollies
Point Breeze Vollies

*Staging Rockaway Pt Blvd & Beach 184 St*

MB to QD assign Marine 6 to the box

B-47 we have 2 L/S/O. Setting up a TL

B-47 we have a positive water source. We have a fire in a Cabana between the main building & Beach

B-47 knocking down fire in the main structure and cabanas. 1 TL in opp 3 L/S/O

FC per D-13 transmit a full 3rd Alarm

FC per D-13 exterior operation. Prolong operation. DWH

3rd Alarm
E-310 Act. 329,315 Act. 268,294 Act. 266,219 Act. 309(High Pressure Engine),332(Comm)
E-275s/c,292/s/c,331 Act. 329s/c,289 Act. 268s/c
L-151 Act. 137,120 Act. 159
B-41 Act. 47(FF)
B-32 Act. 33(Staging)
B-42(ARC)
Rac-2
MSU
Car-8(Staten Island Borough Command)
Car-33(Medical Officer Brooklyn Queens SI)
Car-23D(Press Duty)
Car-12A(Executive Officer to Chief of Safety)
Car-22A(Executive Director of Fleet Services)
Car-22B(Director of Fleet Services)

FC no special instructions for the Marine Units

FC relay to B-32. They can have 1 Engine assist the Satellite unit in setting up. Then have B-32 respond into the command post. We will not be utilizing the staging area for now.

FC per Car-8 we have 4 L/S/O. Satellite is in the process of setting up their manifold. Prolong operation. DWH

FC per Car-8 we now have 5 L/S/O. L-151 is now the Fast Truck. L-121 is remaining on scene. DWH

FC per Car-8 PWH. S/C 2 Engines

FC per Car-8 s/c 2 Engines into the Command Post


Relocations:
Engine 240 Act. Engine 246
Engine 219 Act. Engine 309
Engine 279 Act. Engine 309
Engine 304 Act. Engine 265
Engine 289 Act. Engine 268
Engine 315 Act. Engine 268

Engine 311 Act. Engine 266
Engine 294 Act. Engine 266
Engine 331 Act. Engine 329
Engine 310 Act. Engine 329

Ladder 150 Act. Ladder 137
Ladder 151 Act. Ladder 137
Ladder 172 Act. Ladder 121
Ladder 120 Act. Ladder 159
Ladder 107 Act. Ladder 159
Battalion 41 Act. Battalion 47
Battalion 50 Act. Battalion 47
Battalion 32 Act. Battalion 33
Battalion 57 Act. Battalion 33
Battalion 37 Act. Battalion 58

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A couple of questions, 1) is 252 normally assigned here ahead of 270? 2) is there some sort of a requirement for a high pressure pumper on multiples on the Rockaways?
 
A couple of questions, 1) is 252 normally assigned here ahead of 270? 2) is there some sort of a requirement for a high pressure pumper on multiples on the Rockaways?
I would say hydrants out there are in short supply. May have used that high Pressure Engine as a supply engine or relay.
 
My former unit Engine 26 was and is a High-Pressure Pumper. In my 8 years as Captain of Engine 26 we only used High Pressure Once at a high-rise fire in lower Manhattan. We drilled on H.P. pumping procedures a few times. The purpose of High-Pressure pumpers were for the supplying of the standpipes in tall buildings when the buildings own standpipe pumps were out of service OR in a Power Blackout caused the buildings own standpipe Pumps to be unusable. I never heard of it being used for a hose relay. Special Hose with white hose butts was the only hose that was to be used for high-pressure pumping. The large diameter 5" Satellite, or in the old days 4 1/2" satellite/super pumper hose was to be used for relays. FDNY older High-Pressure pumpers all had 3 stage pumps and operated in series to obtain high-pressure. High Pressure pumping is Dangerous and had to be done with all the H.P. hose TEATHERED to a strong rope, with tie offs every few feet. Captain Bob Rainey FDNY Engine 26 retired.
 
Surprised Engines 318 and 245 in coney are not HP with the amount of hi-rises. Unless that doesn’t always dictate why a company is made a HP engine.
Based on the list above, all the HP engines are either in Lower Manhattan or Western Brooklyn such that they're proximate to Lower Manhattan. Someone can correct me but I think a HP/3-stage pump would really only be required on very tall buildings, and the regular engine would be able to handle a regular hi-rise just fine, hence the unit locations
 
0430 QCO - Phone Alarm 1464, 1 Beach 193 Street at Rockaway Point Blvd for fire in the Silver Gull Beach Club.

0431 MB01 - On your Frequency

0431 QCO/BC47 - Wind Advisory in Effect, Winds of this magnitude can have a negative effect at fire operations.

0431 MR09 - Responding Box 1464

0434 T159 - On your Frequency Responding.

0436 E329 - Transmit the Second Alarm on Arrival, (Includes?) a tower ladder, we are taking the gate.

0437 QCO - CIDS: Public 1 Story 100x100 Class 3 Beach Club, Sprinkler Siamese infront of building, hydrant located at southend entrance of the Beach Club.

0438 Q252 - 10-8, you got a box for us?

0438 QCO/Q252 - 10-4

0439 QCO/BC47 - T121 FAST, BC43 RUL, BC39 Safety, E284T ST03

0440 Q270 - Do you want us to continue into 1474?

0440 QCO/Q270 - Remain in Service.

0441 E321 - On your Frequency.

0441 E309 - On your Frequency.

0441 E323 - On your Frequency.

0441 L169 - On your Frequency.

0441 QCO/BC47 - Should staging be required, the selected staging area will be Rockaway Point Blvd and Beach 184 Street.

0442 BC43 - On your Frequency.

0442 BC39 - Responding.

0443 BC58 - Responding.

0443 BC33 - On your Frequency responding.

0443 SB01 - On your Frequency responding to the Second.

0443 E284 - On your Frequency responding with the satellite.

0443 E246 - On your Frequency responding to the Second Alarm.

0445 BC41 - On your Frequency relocating to Battalion 47.

0447 MB01 - Please assign Marine 6 to 1464.

0448 E310 - 310 acting on your Frequency.

0449 BC47 - 1464, All Hands, fire in a Cabana in between the Main Building and the Beach, we have a positive water source, setting up a Tower Ladder, sizeup as per CIDs, 2L/S/O, DWH. (Duration 21 Minutes)

Exposures
1 - Set of Cabanas
2 - Beach
3 - Beach
4 - Set of Cabanas

0455 E310/E329 - 10-8 (on the peninsula?)

0457 MR06 - On your Frequency, 45 Minute ETA.

0459 E294- 10-8 in 266's Area.

0500 BC47 - Knocking down fire in the Main Structure (of the Cabanas) we have a 4th(?) Tower Ladder being set up, 3 L/S/O, DWH. (Duration 33 Minutes)

0505 DC13 - 10-84

0511 E315 - 10-8

0512 L151- 10-8 in L137's Response Area.

0512 E304 - 10-8 in 265's Area.

0513 FC01 - As per DC13, Transmit a Full 3rd Alarm.

0514 Car 8 - Put us on the 3rd Alarm.

0515 T172- 10-8 in 121's Response Area.

0515 QCO/E315 - Responding to 3rd Alarm Box 1464?

0515 E315 - 10-4

0516 QCO/FC01 - E219 High Pressure Engine, E332 Communications, BC32 SAM

0516 FC01 - Fire is in a 1 Story 100x100 Class 2 Beach Club, Exterior Attack Operation, prolonged operation, remaining Doubtful.

0517 E332 - On your Frequency responding to the 3rd Alarm.

0518 T120 - On your Frequency responding to the 3rd Alarm.

0518 E219 - Same Message.

0518 QCO - Attention following units; E310, E315, E294, E219, E332, L151, T120, Respond to the Staging Area located at Rockaway Point and Beach 184.

0519 QCO/E332 - Report to the Command Post

0520 Car 33 - Responding to your 3rd Alarm.

0529 QCO/FC01 - Report is due

0536 BC42 - On your Frequency, 84 at Floyd Bennet Field.

0536 MR06 - 10-84 momentarily, can you see if there are any special instruction for us.

0536 QCO/FC01 - Marine 6 is going to be 10-84, any special instructions for them?

0537 BC32 - Can you ascertain from Command if they need a unit to help the satellite, we have 2 Engines and 1 Truck on scene.

0538 Car 24A? - Responding to the 3rd

0539 FC01 - For the Marine Companies, no special instruction.

0543 E331 - 331 acting 329, 10-8 in 329's response area.

0544 FC01 - Relay to BC32, they can have 1 Engine to assist the satellite, then have the 32 report to the Command Post, we will not be utilizing the staging location for now.

0546 E311 - 10-8 in 266's Area

0548 FC01 - Advise BC32 to have all units at staging come up to the Command Post, and have BC32 assign 1 Engine to assist the Satellite.

0550 E289 - 10-8 in 268's Response Area

0551 T150 - 10-8 in 137's Response Area

0559 Car 12A - 10-84 your 3rd Alarm

0600 FC01 - Car 8 Reports, 4 L/S/O, Satellite is setting up their manifold, will be a prolonged operation, fire remains Doubtful.

0601 BC42 - Let the ? know we are 84 at the 3rd Alarm in the NYPD Helicopter, do they want us to communicate on the Command Channel or ?

0604 FC01 - Advise the 42, operating on HT1, is there a Air Recon Chief assigned?

0604 QCO/FC01 - BC42 is the Air Recon Chief

0604 FC01 - 10-4, then have the 42 report in on Command 1.

0605 FC01 - As per DC13, you can cancel the Air Recon.

0610 TS2 - 10-8 from the 3rd Alarm

0613 FC01 - Car 8 Reports, 5 L/S/O, L151 is now redesignated as the FAST Truck, T121 will be remaining on scene, fire remaining doubtful.

0625 SB01 - 10-8 from your 3rd Alarm

0625 FC01 - Car 8 places the fire PWH, Special Call 2 Engines. (E275 E292)

0642 BC58 - Taking up from the 3rd Alarm

0644 FC01 - Special Call 2 Additional Engine Companies. (E331/E329 and E289/E268)

0656 T120 - Taking up from the 3rd Alarm, are we to return to 159's Quarters?

0720 E310 - We have been relieved, are we heading home?

0720 FC01 - FC01 is in the process of taking up, DC13 will be your Radio Contact.

0741 DC13 - Fire is going to go Under Control, 4L/S, 2 L/O, have Coned Electric Respond, also Secondary Searches are going to be delayed due to collapse and structural collapse, can we have 2 Engines, 2 Trucks and 1 Chief for Watchline purposes. (E E L L BC)
 
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