5/1/24 Brooklyn 5th Alarm Box 0835

Know why Hdqtrs stopped greater alarms & stopped at a 5th? Anyone? Curious.
I may be wrong but the Computers in the PSAC go to a 10th Alarm, it was probably for publicity reasons, because the last alarm that went above the 5th was Queens Box 7864, it was a 8th Alarm with 11 Extra Engines, 10? Extra Trucks, 7 Extra BC's, and 2 Extra RAC's above the 8th, total response was 44 Engines (not counting the Comm Engine), 46 Trucks, and 27 Chiefs, pretty sure 9 Metro tech stopped going above the 5th to avoid having all those companies OOS and increasing response times if the recolators aren't in the first due yet. You can find threads where Chief's have given Special Calls but the Dispatcher has told them that would require another alarm.

https://www.nycfire.net/forums/threads/4-6-21-queens-8th-alarm-box-7864.65540/

Thread is a very good read.
 
So just an observation and thought. In the excellent videos provided by Skylerfire and Grogan Fire, during the early stages of this job, Ladders 175, 176 and 112 appear to have gotten into the box first, taking up the 1 and 4 sides of the fire building. All were sticks and not tower ladders. It happens and sometimes can't be avoided. The fire was well involved in a deep commercial building. In the 70's the STANGS came off the rigs and were set up on the sidewalks for greater GPM with greater reach. In the 50's and 60's it was 1000 pound (jk) multiversal came off the roof of the cab or up top. Then the tower ladders became the predominant fire killer in these situations, get the bucket down to the street level and work the stand in the bucket all over the inside. But what happens when you can't get a tower ladder(s) in position to do that? The Blitzfire is a great tool for accomplishing this and has been rapidly gaining acceptance by Battalion and Division Chiefs. Unfortunately they are only carried on select specialty units such as squads and Haz Mat. I think the ultimate goal should be to provide every engine company in the city with one. However, because it would cost about $750,000 to do that immediately, maybe slowly adding them to an engine in each Battalion, or throughout each borough, much like HR nozzles and Cockloft nozzles were introduced. A Blitzfire can flow 350-500 GPM and can be operated by a single firefighter once it is set up and placed. It puts a high caliber, high impact fire stream down low allowing deep penetration into these type of occupancies without having to work the nozzle reaction of a 2-1/2" line. In other words, working smarter, not harder while producing more punch. Stay safe
 
So just an observation and thought. In the excellent videos provided by Skylerfire and Grogan Fire, during the early stages of this job, Ladders 175, 176 and 112 appear to have gotten into the box first, taking up the 1 and 4 sides of the fire building. All were sticks and not tower ladders. It happens and sometimes can't be avoided. The fire was well involved in a deep commercial building. In the 70's the STANGS came off the rigs and were set up on the sidewalks for greater GPM with greater reach. In the 50's and 60's it was 1000 pound (jk) multiversal came off the roof of the cab or up top. Then the tower ladders became the predominant fire killer in these situations, get the bucket down to the street level and work the stand in the bucket all over the inside. But what happens when you can't get a tower ladder(s) in position to do that? The Blitzfire is a great tool for accomplishing this and has been rapidly gaining acceptance by Battalion and Division Chiefs. Unfortunately they are only carried on select specialty units such as squads and Haz Mat. I think the ultimate goal should be to provide every engine company in the city with one. However, because it would cost about $750,000 to do that immediately, maybe slowly adding them to an engine in each Battalion, or throughout each borough, much like HR nozzles and Cockloft nozzles were introduced. A Blitzfire can flow 350-500 GPM and can be operated by a single firefighter once it is set up and placed. It puts a high caliber, high impact fire stream down low allowing deep penetration into these type of occupancies without having to work the nozzle reaction of a 2-1/2" line. In other words, working smarter, not harder while producing more punch. Stay safe
Capt, if you don't mind me asking. What is a cockloft nozzle? Never heard of it.
 
Update - The Blitzfire Monitor is now carried by:

• Foam Tanker Engine Companies: 96, 152, 294, 260, 247

• Haz-Mat Technician Engine Companies: 44, 165, 250, 274

• Haz-Mat Company 1

• Satellite Engine Companies: 9, 72, 159, 207, 284, 324
 
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So just an observation and thought. In the excellent videos provided by Skylerfire and Grogan Fire, during the early stages of this job, Ladders 175, 176 and 112 appear to have gotten into the box first, taking up the 1 and 4 sides of the fire building. All were sticks and not tower ladders. It happens and sometimes can't be avoided. The fire was well involved in a deep commercial building. In the 70's the STANGS came off the rigs and were set up on the sidewalks for greater GPM with greater reach. In the 50's and 60's it was 1000 pound (jk) multiversal came off the roof of the cab or up top. Then the tower ladders became the predominant fire killer in these situations, get the bucket down to the street level and work the stand in the bucket all over the inside. But what happens when you can't get a tower ladder(s) in position to do that? The Blitzfire is a great tool for accomplishing this and has been rapidly gaining acceptance by Battalion and Division Chiefs. Unfortunately they are only carried on select specialty units such as squads and Haz Mat. I think the ultimate goal should be to provide every engine company in the city with one. However, because it would cost about $750,000 to do that immediately, maybe slowly adding them to an engine in each Battalion, or throughout each borough, much like HR nozzles and Cockloft nozzles were introduced. A Blitzfire can flow 350-500 GPM and can be operated by a single firefighter once it is set up and placed. It puts a high caliber, high impact fire stream down low allowing deep penetration into these type of occupancies without having to work the nozzle reaction of a 2-1/2" line. In other words, working smarter, not harder while producing more punch. Stay safe
The blitzfire was put into operation at this, and relatively quickly as one was on scene with Squad 252, the second due engine. 2 Tower Ladders were in place within 10 minutes, with no issue given the placement of 176 on the corner and 112 up Bushwick Ave toward Schaefer St. along with the deck gun being operated from Engine 233. Fire was in 5 buildings almost immediately, it didn’t matter what caliber stream you had, the companies were behind the eight ball from the tones going off, 48 seconds after the start of the tour.
 
The blitzfire was put into operation at this, and relatively quickly as one was on scene with Squad 252, the second due engine. 2 Tower Ladders were in place within 10 minutes
10 minutes of what? the 10-75 was only transmitted after 10 minutes of the alarm per the timeline, the first tower ladder to be assigned was the fast truck (who was only put into operation latter on)
 
The blitzfire was put into operation at this, and relatively quickly as one was on scene with Squad 252, the second due engine. 2 Tower Ladders were in place within 10 minutes, with no issue given the placement of 176 on the corner and 112 up Bushwick Ave toward Schaefer St. along with the deck gun being operated from Engine 233. Fire was in 5 buildings almost immediately, it didn’t matter what caliber stream you had, the companies were behind the eight ball from the tones going off, 48 seconds after the start of the tour.
Thank you for the info and points well taken. Not being critical of the ladder placements. Things happen and I agree that this building and the exposures were gone before companies arrived. Just an observation that it might be nice to place the blitzfires on all engines down the road. Another tool in the tool box. I wasn’t there so I am certainly not going to second guess operations, or tactics. Overall it looks like the members did an outstanding job dealing with a challenging situation. Thanks again brother. Stay well
 
Update - The Blitzfire Monitor is now carried by:

• Foam Tanker Engine Companies: 96, 152, 154, 260, 247

• Haz-Mat Technician Engine Companies: 44, 165, 250, 274

• Haz-Mat Company 1

• Satellite Engine Companies: 9, 72, 159, 207, 284, 324
Thanks for the update.
 
10 minutes of what? the 10-75 was only transmitted after 10 minutes of the alarm per the timeline, the first tower ladder to be assigned was the fast truck (who was only put into operation latter on
L111 was in front of the building, as was 124, L120 was set up on the 3/4 side. 111 and 124 were both supplied flowing water early into the operation, as was the blitzfire. The deck gun was being utilized as well. I think the point was more that “large caliber streams” were being used early on, not so much exact time frames of the arrival
 
From the FDNY Facebook page:

"On Wednesday evening, FDNY members responded to reports of smoke in a supermarket at 1385 Bushwick Avenue in Brooklyn.
'Firefighters were on scene in three minutes. This fire extended from the supermarket to four residential buildings and quickly went to a fifth alarm, bringing over 250 firefighters and EMS to the scene,' said First Deputy Commissioner Joseph Pfeifer. 'Our hearts go out to these residents and the Red Cross is here to assist them.'
'We had a very significant amount of fire here. The main fire in the supermarket quickly spread to the two adjoining structures and then down Cooper Street into other occupancies. It’s one of the challenges of wood frame construction, we have a lot of concealed spaces which can take a long time to open up and get at the fire,' said Assistant Chief Tom Currao.
'We currently have seven patients. Six are firefighters with minor injuries, five of whom have been transported to area hospitals. One is a civilian with smoke inhalation. Our units arrived here on scene very quickly. We did a great job sectoring out this assignment and making sure we had coverage all around the building,' said Assistant Chief of EMS Operations Cesar Escobar.
Fire and EMS units remain at the scene of the fire with a watchline in place and FDNY Fire Marshals will investigate the cause.


 
TL-111& 124 where set up on the exp 1 side early on in the operation. With 124 operation directly in front of the original fire building , their bucket spent plenty of time on the sidewalk driving the water stream up into the cockloft and deep into the building. Then above the parapet hitting the visible fire from above…going back and forth between the sidewalk and above the parapet often. TL-111 was positioned to cover both the fire building and the two row frames of exposure 2 & 2a. Excellent positioning , well coordinated and full coverage between the two TL to the front of all three building.

Tower ladder streams and the bucket are very mobile for pin point stream placement and generally flow about 650 to 750+ gpm depending on what tip size is used. The Blitzfire flows less about 350-400gpm , with very limited mobility.
 
Update - The Blitzfire Monitor is now carried by:

• Foam Tanker Engine Companies: 96, 152, 154, 260, 247

• Haz-Mat Technician Engine Companies: 44, 165, 250, 274

• Haz-Mat Company 1

• Satellite Engine Companies: 9, 72, 159, 207, 284, 324
E294 not E154….
 
Are the Blitz Fire Monitors only carried on the engines/squads or are they also on the second pieces as well? I thought I saw a previous post saying they were on the second piece. I may have misread the other post.
 
TL-111& 124 where set up on the exp 1 side early on in the operation. With 124 operation directly in front of the original fire building , their bucket spent plenty of time on the sidewalk driving the water stream up into the cockloft and deep into the building. Then above the parapet hitting the visible fire from above…going back and forth between the sidewalk and above the parapet often. TL-111 was positioned to cover both the fire building and the two row frames of exposure 2 & 2a. Excellent positioning , well coordinated and full coverage between the two TL to the front of all three building.

Tower ladder streams and the bucket are very mobile for pin point stream placement and generally flow about 650 to 750+ gpm depending on what tip size is used. The Blitzfire flows less about 350-400gpm , with very limited mobility.
I dont know about the Blitzfires, but the Elkhart RAMs which is basically the same thing, was very mobile. 1 person could lift it off the ground operating, and use it as a standard nozzle. ( I, not a fan of that) It still would take 2 or 3 members to move it long distances or advance with it unless who ever deployed it pulled enough hose up close. Ive done it a few times training with it, and once at a plastics fire. Had very little kickback, which was surprising. They would flow up to 500 gpms at 75 psi np. Depended on the nozzle. We had ours preconnected to 200 feet of 3 inch supply line with another 200 feet deadload under that if needed, off the back of the rig.
 
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