7/10/09 Queens Box 8444 - 3rd Alarm

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The fire in the predawn hours broke out on a scaffolding on the underside of the Throgs Neck Bridge.  Companies from the Bronx and Queens as well as Marine units continue to operate making determinations about the structure of the bridge.
 
Who would be the first due? Is that by the EMS academy? And any clue on which Marine units operated at the fire?
 
  If the box number 8444 on this thread is correct then that box location is Clearview Expwy & Northern Blvd which is quite a distance south of the actual fire. There are a few boxes closer to the fire including some bridge boxes listed as Bronx boxes. Queens Box 8444 has E320, E295, L167, TL144 and BC53. Bronx Boxes 8959 [Qns anchorage-LP64], 8960 [Qns anchorage-start of span] and 8961 [Qns approach-LP16] are right about the exact location on the Queens end of the Throgs neck Bridge and all 3 have E320, E306, L167, TL50 and BC20.
 
Don't know which unit it is, but here's a Daily News photo of a marine unit in action at the bridge:
alg_throgs.jpg

 
Looks like the Kevin Kane, Marine 6. BTW, Marine 4 is docked very close to this job, almost under the bridge.
 
I don't think Marine 4 was in service when the box first came in.  If they went it would probably be on one of the higher alarms or as a special call.
 
Lou Minutoli has photos up on his web site - as a matter of fact one of his photos is used in the Newsday story. There is suppose to be a press conference around 4pm - southbound bridge has been opened for a few hours - assume engineers are checking out the steel superstructure to make sure no steel has been compromised by the heat of the fire.
 
You can identify some of the apparatus from Lou's pictures. It appears most of the first due or arriving equipment came in on the viaduct portion of the bridge. I could identify the following:

E295, E72, TL50,TL144, L167, Rescue 3, BC52, BC53, BC46?

On the ground you could see E274, E304, TL164
 
E295 arrived 1st, was a rubbish fire initially & then the box was transmitted as they were getting reports of a construction trailer on fire. yes that was Marine 6 & BC52 was the chief on the initial box. They also special called some high rise nozzles. Marine 4 was also special called after the 3rd alarm. Members were operating on the scaffolding just after the 3rd alarm, but were all ordered off due to conflicting reports of how much weight the scaffolding could hold, & yes it was Box 8444
 
I turned off about 2 hrs into the fire, @ that time they were going to use SOC companies only & members would be redeployed on to the scaffolding, all to be attached by safety rope/harness. They did special call an extra squad on the 2nd alarm & when I left, they were looking around for some special kind of saw that only rescue & squads would carry.
 
5:01 AM (Queens Disp 107)
Location: Clearview Expressway and Willets Point Blvd for a rubbish fire and possible construction trailer - later identified as building and construction material on the scaffolding under the bridge

First Alarm: B52 you have 3&2 from the Queens side plus E72 and TL50 from the Bronx:
Probable 3&2 units (E295, E320, E306 and TL144, L167) Marine 6 assigned (40min ETA)

5:15AM BC52 - 10-75 the box trying to get water on the fire under the bridge - s/c high rise nozzle:
E313, TL 164(FAST) E304 with high rise nozzle (come in from Cross Island Pkwy)
BC53 - 10-75 Chief

5:29AM Marine 6 ETA - 15min

5:32AM E45 respond to Queens via Whitestone Bridge and relay with E295)

R3, Squad 61  RAC3 and DC 13 assigned (DC14 on Box 7640 10-75)

5:33AM BC52 - please assign a Bronx unit to supply standpipe on Bronx anchorage of the bridge

5:40 BC52 Transmit second alarm - command post will be on bridge past the fire - subsequently changed to ramp on Queens side

Queens to DC 13 - for the second alarm you have
B50 - Safety Chief
B46 - Resource Chief
B20
Sat 4 with E324, E89
TAC-1, FC-1
E273,E326,L129

E89 and BC 20 meet Squad 61 at Bronx anchorage - hook up but do not charge  

E273 they will use your booster - go up onto the bridge - same for E326

5:50AM E 83 (garbled) - relocate?

5:53AM E275 acting E306

Disp: E324 report under bridge and assist with water relay setup

Heavy traffic being identified by most Queens units responding on 2nd alarm

5:57AM BC 52 - you can switch staging area to Fort Totten parking lot - please assign a Water Resource BC

BC54 assigned as Water Resource Chief

All incoming chiefs - Command Channel #2 has been activated

BC 51 assigned as Staging Chief

L129 go to Fort Totten staging area

6:06AM Third Alarm transmitted - all units report to Ft Totten staging area
E301,E299,E316
L160,L130
BC45 -Firefighting Chief

E274 was on scene - perhaps came in on first alarm instead of E320 or E306 - E 295 was definitely first due Engine

6:14AM Car 9(DAC Sudnick) - there is a clear shot on the CIP EB for all units coming in to staging area

FC - S/C an additional Squad - Squad 270 assigned in -subsequently told to go right onto the bridge

6:23AM Marine 6 standing by under bridge
Mask Service Unit also assigned

E305 (with High Rise Nozzle) assigned

E91 acting 316

BC33 - Recon Chief

6:34AM FC - All members have been removed from the scaffolding due to conflicting information regarding bearing capacity

Div 15 acting Div 13

FC - special call two SOC support trucks (make sure they have special saws) -we will start to release the 3rd alarm units one by one

Queens - SOC units do not have special saws requested

Battalion 44 acting 50

Battalion 18 acting 52??

7:13AM:E316 is 10-8

FC -disregard SOC request - hold off on Sq 288, Marine 4 coming in

Battalion 11 acting 46
 
Just a warning, the final duration before the Under Control on this one was 10 hours and 3 minutes  ;D
 
Thanks - I'm going to pack it in - not much more is going to happen as far as FDNY assignments.  After the fire was completely knocked down the Engineers were going to have to evaluate the steel superstructure and see if any of heat from the fire compromised any of the steel members.  Interesting to see how assignments unfolded though!
 
Looks to me like most of the units responing were from Queens. I know the fire was on the Queens side, but I thought there would be more Bronx units.
 
Here is some video from a newschopper":

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