9/17/20 Manhattan 3rd Alarm Box 0258

[UnitWithTheUrgent]

Address: 301 Grand St. off Allan St.

Fire in a 3 story 25x60 commercial with extension into exposure 2 (301 Grand St. - Similar attached) & to exposure 3 (59 Allen St. - 5 story parking garage)

Phone Alarm Box 0258 - Grand & Allan - Report of a fire in the rear of a flower shop - 00:17

MD to B-4: Caller is at 90 Eldridge St. is reporting the flower shop on Grand St. - 00:18

B-4: Transmit a 10-75 - Heavy Fire in the rear - 00:23

H&L-20 FAST

B-4: Heavy fire in the rear, possible in a rear tenement - Extra E&T (E-33 & L-11) - 00:25

MD transmitting the All Hands.

B-4: Transmit a 2nd Alarm - 00:31

B-7 RUL, B-31 Safety, E-24 w/ Sat. 1

D-1: Corrected address is 301 Grand - Heavy fire in the rear with extension to 303 Grand - 3 L/S, 2 L/O - DWH - 00:41

FC: Transmit a 3rd Alarm - We have fire in exposure 2 & 3 - 01:05

Staging: Allan St. south of Dalancey St.

FC: 4 L/S, 3 L/S - DWH - 01:16

FC: Special call Hazmat - We have propane tanks in the rear of the fire building - 01:18

FC: Special call 2 additional trucks (H&L-5 & L-3) - 01:19

FC: Still hitting some pockets of fire in exposure 3 that is difficult to access - DWH - 01:33

FC: 6 L/S/O - We are still hitting large debris piles in the rear of the building - This will be a prolonged operation - Special call 2 additional trucks (TL-15 & L-10) - 01:51

FC: AVFKD - PWH - 01:56

FC: Under Control - 02:08

Duration: 1 hour & 52 min.

D-1: Special call an engine, truck & BC for a watchline (E-37, TL-23 & B-11) - 02:26

Maybe:
E-9, 55, 15, 28, 33 s/c
L-6, 18, 20F, 11 s/c
B-4, 1
R-1
SQ-18
D-1
RAC-1

2nd Alarm Maybe:
E-7, 6, 4, 10
L-9, 1
B-2, 6, 7R, 31S
FC, RB, SB, TSU-1, RM, CTU
E-24 w/ Sat. 1

3rd Alarm Maybe*:
E-5, 3, 16
L-8, 5 s/c, 3 s/c, 15 s/c, 10 s/c
B-48 (act. 2) Staging, 58 Air Recon
MSU
E-263 Communications
HM-1, HMB
RAC-4
Car-32, 22c

*Only 3 engines & 1 truck were given instructions over the air on the initial 3d alarm, I believe they got an extra E&T & BC on the 2nd alarm (units cleared a box around the corner upon the transmission of the 2nd alarm)

Watchline at 02:30
E-37
L-23
B-11

Some Relocations:
E-205 to E-9
E-1 to E-6
E-21 to E-15
E-239 to E-55
E-289 to E-65
E-22 to E-3
E-201 to E-28
L-16 to L-11
L-140 to L-8
L-108 to L-10
L-26 to H&L-20
SQ-41 to R-1
B-48 to B-2

 

[Signal73]

 

[manhattan]

The boys of Rescue 1 just went by my house on the way to the box. Prayers for everyone's safety.

 

[68jk09]

SQ*41 relocating to R*1.

 

[manhattan]

If that's the place I'm thinking of, it's a good bakery and sweet shop.

 

[DJ Nat]

Div 1 now by the fire, would anyone here know if he used to be on the 35 battalion?

 

[manhattan]

Welcome to The Site, DJ Nat. Glad to have you aboard!

 

[FDNY Response Videos]

September is turning into quite the month for big jobs

 

[Skyler Fire]

 

[THEMAJESTIRIUM1]

( FDNY BOX 0258 - MANHATTAN ) - FDNY OPERATING AT A 3RD ALARM FIRE IN THE REAR AREA OF A MIXED OCCUPANCY ON GRAND STREET IN THE CHINATOWN AREA OF MANHATTAN IN NEW YORK CITY.

 

[twoteamtease]

That area of Grand Street (by allen, orchard, eldridge) is always good for a cok walloper a couple times a year.

 

[fltpara16]

Being a non-NYC member (from upstate NY, North Syracuse, nothing but lots of snow) could someone explain a rear tenement. Is this building surrounded by other buildings and only accessible through alleys or another building?

 

[twoteamtease]

Being a non-NYC member (from upstate NY, North Syracuse, nothing but lots of snow) could someone explain a rear tenement. Is this building surrounded by other buildings and only accessible through alleys or another building?

You are correct. It is a fairly uncommon feature in NYC, but in this area (the lower east side) there are quite a few of them.

Basically it is accessible usually through the building that is in front of it, which makes fire operations challenging. Laddering operations especially. The apparatus ladder is basically rendered useless, since the rear tenement is inaccessible from where it is set up. Can maybe get one or two portable ladders covering it. And that in of itself is challenging.

We have something called CIDS, (critical information dispatch system) which we rely heavily on to prepare for on the way to these fires. The guys will be talking it up on the way there, and will act accordingly.

 

[manlt]

They are in various parts of City, not just Manhattan. I had in parts of Brooklyn from downtown to bushwick. In Staten Island, it’s another private dwelling in the rear. From what I’ve been told, those were the original building on the lot, bigger building built up front later.

 

[jtsjc1]

Yes I've worked in a number of these in Brooklyn.

 

[smokeeater405]

Being a non-NYC member (from upstate NY, North Syracuse, nothing but lots of snow) could someone explain a rear tenement. Is this building surrounded by other buildings and only accessible through alleys or another building?

This is a example of rear tenement

 

[manhattan]

You are correct. It is a fairly uncommon feature in NYC, but in this area (the lower east side) there are quite a few of them.

Basically it is accessible usually through the building that is in front of it, which makes fire operations challenging. Laddering operations especially. The apparatus ladder is basically rendered useless, since the rear tenement is inaccessible from where it is set up. Can maybe get one or two portable ladders covering it. And that in of itself is challenging.

We have something called CIDS, (critical information dispatch system) which we rely heavily on to prepare for on the way to these fires. The guys will be talking it up on the way there, and will act accordingly.

Beautifully stated and explained!!

 

[fltpara16]

Thank you for your answers to my question. Although I have been to NYC many times, I was not familiar with this type of building. When and if I ever make it back to the City, I will look for one of these hidden structures.

 

[Ala117]

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[CFDMarshal]

Thank you for your answers to my question. Although I have been to NYC many times, I was not familiar with this type of building. When and if I ever make it back to the City, I will look for one of these hidden structures.

Steve, I can remember going in a store in Chinatown in 1979 and traveling through a narrow hallway to appear in a totally different building in the rear. I was thinking then, "people could die here and how the hell would you stretch a line. At the time I had about 2 years OTJ in TN.