ACTIVE EMS LT NELSON SETO STATION 38.

RCL said:
Im on the fence about posting this. Little bit more to the story. Apparently he called EMS and at somepoint became unresponsive after the call.

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FDNY investigates response to 911 call where EMS lieutenant died

Lt. Nelson Seto called 911 reporting breathing trouble, but EMTs left when he didn’t answer the door; hours later, he was found dead
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Question for OTJ/Retired EMS members? Isn't a Engine and/or PD supposed to be dispatched to force the door if no one answers?
 
One of the ironies of public safety agencies, particularly EMS, is that the members with the least pay and the lowest rank are the ones who frequently make the most life-or-death decisions.

The corollary to this is that everyone is an expert after 5 o'clock.
 
entropychaser said:
One of the ironies of public safety agencies, particularly EMS, is that the members with the least pay and the lowest rank are the ones who frequently make the most life-or-death decisions.

The corollary to this is that everyone is an expert after 5 o'clock.
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Frank Raffa should add this to "The Laws of EMS" on his website.
 
If a boss was assigned his/her first action should be to tell the dispatcher to notify FD to have an engine respond. Having the boss travel there and then request an engine would be too time consuming and not beneficial to the situation at hand. Monday morning quarterbacking here, but did the BLS crew try any windows or other points for possible entry? Rest In Peace Lieutenant.
 
memorymaster said:
If a boss was assigned his/her first action should be to tell the dispatcher to notify FD to have an engine respond. Having the boss travel there and then request an engine would be too time consuming and not beneficial to the situation at hand. Monday morning quarterbacking here, but did the BLS crew try any windows or other points for possible entry? Rest In Peace Lieutenant.
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Obviously you were trained well. Unfortunately you are using common sense as a reasonable approach to an easily solvable problem.

That skill rarely exists these days.

Physically checking on alternative ways to get in was not only a prudent thing to do it was actually expected of you while waiting on the forcible entry.

For the most part there is always a secondary means of access. You just have to look for it. Standing in front of a locked door waiting for it to magically open while someone behind it is in dire straits never works.

Rest in peace Lieutenant,
 
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Elmerj said:
Obviously you were trained well. Unfortunately you are using common sense as a reasonable approach to an easily solvable problem.

That skill rarely exists these days.

Physically checking on alternative ways to get in was not only a prudent thing to do it was actually expected of you while waiting on the forceable entry.

For the most part there is always a secondary means of access. You just have to look for it. Standing in front of a locked door waiting for it to magically open while someone behind it is in dire straits never works.

Rest in peace Lieutenant,
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Elmer, I forgot that common sense is not common any longer in this society. lol I had 20 years as a Lt. and had my share of "unable to gain entry" scenarios.
 
Question, are EMS Crews not allowed to force the door or is it unpereffered by crews?
 
Darrell said:
Question, are EMS Crews not allowed to force the door or is it unpereffered by crews?
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They are neither trained nor equipped to accomplish the task. Finding and alternative means of entry and forcible entry are two different things. Besides we have forcible entry experts just minutes away.
 
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