Breezy Point / Roxbury Water Supply plan

[tbendick]

Engine 316's Hose Wagon has been moved to Engine 329.
2 Firefigters assigned to Hose Wagon 316
6" hose about 1/2 mile worth on rig.

Responses in the area get 3 Engines, 2 Ladders, 1 BC and the Hose Wagon.

1st Engine and Hose wagon respond together
Engine goes to Fire
Hose wagon to the hydrant and drops a supply line then lays a line to the first engine.
2nd Engine goes to hyrdant and supplys the 6" line. If delayed 6" to hyrdant without pumper.

 

[CVILLE7111]

Is this a temporary move?  Thanks!

 

[Parkave32]

Back to the future. The 'good old days" when almost every engine was a two piece campany. Pumper to fire, hose wagon to the Hydrant. Before My time but I've read about it  The technique still works even in the 21st century.

 

[fdny1075k]

Back to the future. The 'good old days" when almost every engine was a two piece campany. Pumper to fire, hose wagon to the Hydrant. Before My time but I've read about it  The technique still works even in the 21st century.

It was a good system that worked and many cities across the country used it. L.A. City still uses it for the most part to this day. There was a time when NY, Boston, D.C., and I think Philly all had Pumpers and Wagons.

 

[XPFD3]

Philadelphia eliminated two piece engine companies that had a wagon and a pumper in 1974.  Hose wagons bought up until 1950 had booster pumps on them to supply the hose reel.  After 1950, only pumpers were purchased and eventually all of the two piece engines were running with two pumpers.  DCFD eliminated their two piece engine companies in the late 80s or early 90s I think.  Do all FDNY engine companies carry the adapters needed to jump the 6" hose line ?

 

[68jk09]

If you are asking about the ramps to drive over large hose.....they are carried by the Units that have large size hose (6 inch).

 

[XPFD3]

I should have proof read my post better.  I meant to ask if FDNY engine companies carry the adapters necessary to pump into the 6" hose line like a 3 1/2 x 6 adapter or something like that. Thanks!

 

[mac8146]

The 2000 gpm pumpers have a new Storz fitting that is used on the front or rear discharges to relay water,this is kept in the chauffeurs compartment, also on the draft connection is a 6" Storz fitting for intake.

 

[3511]

Bridgeport,CT ran two piece engine companies until the 1990's. Both pieces were pumpers but were referred to as "the pump or the hose". The "hose" would run first with the officer, go to the hydrant, drop a line and a FF would stand on it or wrap the hydrant with it. The "hose" would proceed to the fire building in a flying stretch. The "pump" would then hook up at the hydrant and charge the line. For some long stretches 2 1/2" would be used to relay and repump through the hose wagon.
When my father, who served in FDNY from 1930's to 1960's ,came to visit circa mid 80's and observed BFD still doing flying stretches he was amused, as FDNY had eliminated hose wagons by the early 1960's. But they (and flying stretches) were the every day SOP in his early career.
Bridgeport hired a new chief from the Philadelphia FD in the early 90's and the first thing he did was get rid of the two piece engines. Saved a ton of money in gas, maintenence, etc,.

 

[nfd2004]

Bridgeport,CT ran two piece engine companies until the 1990's. Both pieces were pumpers but were referred to as "the pump or the hose". The "hose" would run first with the officer, go to the hydrant, drop a line and a FF would stand on it or wrap the hydrant with it. The "hose" would proceed to the fire building in a flying stretch. The "pump" would then hook up at the hydrant and charge the line. For some long stretches 2 1/2" would be used to relay and repump through the hose wagon.
When my father, who served in FDNY from 1930's to 1960's ,came to visit circa mid 80's and observed BFD still doing flying stretches he was amused, as FDNY had eliminated hose wagons by the early 1960's. But they (and flying stretches) were the every day SOP in his early career.
Bridgeport hired a new chief from the Philadelphia FD in the early 90's and the first thing he did was get rid of the two piece engines. Saved a ton of money in gas, maintenence, etc,.

  "3511", you are correct about Bridgeport, Ct. That Chief from Philly also started to use LDH in a few of Bridgeports Engine Companies, known then as "LDH Companies". I believe it was Engine 4, 10, and I think 12 that took on that new role.
 
  One thing about the two piece companies was that during a major fire, if off duty firefighters were called in, they would split up the two piece companies remaining in service and seperately man each piece still in service, and operate as a single Engine Co.

 

 

[3511]

FDNY traditionally did the same with its hose wagons (as they do today with the reserve pumpers). For special occasions (4th of July, Election night bonfires, etc.,) or Rccall for big storms, the extra manpower would split companies into extra sections to be deployed where needed. A hoseline charged only with hydrant pressure was better than nothing.

 

[memory master]

My dad's house had the biggest, ugliest hose wagon around. It was a Walter and when I was a small kid I would not go near it because it scared the .... out of me just looking at it.

 

[raybrag]

Like this (pics 3&4)?

http://billnoonanfirefotos.smugmug.com/keyword/055/1430373106_GMhbJRL#!i=1430373106&k=GMhbJRL&lb=1&s=O

 

[memory master]

Indeed Ray. In fact photo 3 just may be the one. I can't really tell but it looks like 16 engine's old quarters on E.25 between 2nd and 3rd avenues. That thing scared me to death when parked in quarters behind the company's 1954 Mack pumper. Thanks for the "flashback" Ray.