FDNY and NYC Firehouses and Fire Companies

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nfd2004 said:
turk132 said:
I was at two jobs there, one on the 2nd floor and one on the 3rd floor, I think there was at least one more.
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"Turk" if you saw a somewhat obese white guy, with a $hitty looking grin on his face, standing in the street with a camera and portable scanner, that was probably me.
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And a large bag of White Castles!
 
Wasn't E48 old building one of existing wooden houses back the? 

Also, right after E48 moved didn't they run something out of there as part of that Salvage Corps project before it ran out of money?
 
svd385 said:
Wasn't E48 old building one of existing wooden houses back the? 

Also, right after E48 moved didn't they run something out of there as part of that Salvage Corps project before it ran out of money?
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  YES & YES  ;)
 
E 48 quote - unknown author:

"I can't help you with E. 79, but I can help you with E.48, on Webster and 187. Their original quarters were on Webster Av, S/W of Fordham Rd. in 1897, the single bay, three story, wood frame firehouse was, "rebuilt", because the street level of Webster Av was raised. The old firehouse housed E.48, and the Deputy Chief, 7th Division. As a kid in the early 60's, I remember playing in the basement of 48. You could clearly see the outline of the apparatus door from pre 1897, and the stalls for the horses. E.48 had its share of tradgedy. Members of the company were lost when a theatre marquis collapsed on them, and when they collided with Rescue 3 en-route to a alarm. In 1965 they lost Fr. 1st.Grade, Edward F. Snediker, while operating at a gas explosion at Fordham Fd. and Valentine Av. During the 60's and 70's E.48 proved to be one of the most capable Engine Companies in the Bronx. In the 70's E.48 moved 2 blo0cks South to its new quarters with Ladder 56. The old house was used by the model cities youth program program, as a Fire Salvage Company  (note: Model Cities Program - Salvage 3). When the funding dried up, the old firehouse stood vacant for many years. A few years ago, it collapsed. The corner stone was removed my members of 48 & 56 and rests at their present firehouse. The loss of that old firehouse will never erase the many fond memories I have of the bldg, and the heroes that worked there." 

Division 7 was at Webster Ave with Engine 48 1956-1977.


 
Engine 97/Ladder 32/Brush Fire Unit 8/Thawing Unit 2/Satellite 2  firehouse  1454 Astor Ave  Eastchester,Bronx

    Engine 97 organized 1454 Astor Avenue                              1931
          (Engine 97 relocated to 1518 Williamsbridge Rd at Squad 61 for renovations 2012)

    Ladder 32 located at 1454 Astor Ave w/Engine 97            1931-1932

    Thawing Unit 2 moved to 1454 Astor Avenue at Engine 97    1968

    Brush Fire Unit 8 organized 1454 Astor Avenue at Engine 97  1997
    Brush Fire Unit 8 disbanded 2003

    Satellite 2 moved to 1454 Astor Avenue at Engine 97            2013 (temp)

    Note - thanks Gman and FDNYhistorian for updates

Eastchester originally protected by volunteer company Defender Hose 1 located at Boston Rd and Dyer Ave (5th St) 1895-1923

1454 Astor Ave:





Engine 97:












Thawing Unit:



Engine 97 responding from Squad 61 quarters:
Fdny Engine 97

https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AtLxe6JZDf3nQYSJpHZs38CbvZx4?p=youtube+engine+97+fdny&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-323


E 97 LODD: Firefighter John J. Garrick, November 9, 1961

Eastchester:
http://forgotten-ny.com/2003/08/borderline-crazy-part-1-bronx-eastchester/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastchester,_Bronx






 
Engine 97 Runs/Workers:

Year Engine Runs EMS Workers OSW All Hands
1975  97    2915  0    1724      0 
1976  97    2789  0    1653      0 
1977  97    2656  0    1619      0 
1978  97    2560  0    1662      0 
1979  97    2086  0    1258      0 
1980  97    2206  0    1310      0 
1981  97    2177  0    1270      0 
1982  97    1772  0    1013      0 
1983  97    1569  0      898    97 
1984  97    1861  0    1067      0 
1985  97    2007  0    1110    94 
1986  97    1963  0    1139    87 
1987  97    1951  0    1102    96 
1988  97    1899  0    1089    90 
1989  97    1953  0    1043  115 
1990  97    2101  0    1080  115 
1991  97    2368  0    1284  114 
1992  97    2472  0    1335  141 
1993  97    2536  0    1305  122 
1994  97    2467  0    1284  157 
1995  97    2574  0    1396  167 
1996  97    2345 213  1372  162 
1997  97    2648 516  1665  169 
1998  97    2642 555  1660  168 
1999  97    2778 567  1732  188 
2000  97    2751 674  1682  152 
2001  97    2672 722  1683  170 
2002  97    2560 668  1509  169 
2003  97    2846 754  1621  182 
2004  97    3004 805  1855  183 
2005  97    3288 918  2072  196 
2006  97    3540 962  2210  227 
2007  97    3636 963  2354  190 
2008  97    3219 1098 1907  176 
2009  97    3509 705  2021  172 
2010  97    3603 825  2157  204    82
2011  97    3566 900  2164  179    59
2012  97    3233 588  2356  190    70
2013  97    3703 1061 2306  195    70

- Thanks Frank Raffa
 
Notice the 20% drop off in runs from 1978 to '79. Happened all across the FDNY. Anyone guess why?
 
Satellite 2 moved into 97's temporarily 7/26/2013.

Between 1968 and 1974, Ladders 55 through 61 were planned for the Bronx.

Ladder 55 moved in with Engine 71 in 1968;
Ladder 56 moved in with Engine 42 in 1968;
I believe that Ladder 57 was planned for Engine 72 and that the house was originally lettered for them;
Ladder 58 went into Engine 46's old quarters in 1972 then moved to Engine 45 in 1974;
Ladder 59 formed in Engine 85's Tin House in 1972 then moved to Engine 43 in 1978;
Ladder 60 was planned for either Engine 97 or Engine 45 until Ladder 58 moved there;
Ladder 61 moved in with Engine 66 in 1974.

Does anyone have any other info about the plans for Ladders 57 and 60?
 
Year  Uniform  Fires    Emergs  MFA's    Total        Serious  Civilian   
          Force                                            Alarms    Fires      Deaths   
1960  11,766  60,941  16,868    16,326    94,135    1,630      207       
1961  11,578  61,644  17,509    18,530    97,683    1,696      166 
1962  12,301  69,991  18,719    20,279  108,989    2,064      153 
1963  12,817  74,680  20,836    21,961  117,477    1,912      175 
1964  12,953  79,477  22,173    26,759  128,409    1,606      180 
1965  13,288  85,592  24,305    32,814  142,711    1,905      196 
1966  13,231  90,290  27,084    37,414  154,788    2,135      243 
1967  13,059  91,161  33,231    48,106  172,498    2,275      218 
1968  13,764 127,826 39,249    60,945  228,020    3,156      302      Significant increase in fires, MFAs, alarms, serious fires, deaths
1969  14,031 126,204  41,054    72,060  239,318    3,312      307 
1970  14,325 127,249  45,999    89,432  263,659    3,508      310 
1971  13,896 125,306  49,543  104,958  279,807    3,573      292 
1972  13,558 118,297  49,610  106,878  274,785    3,410      270 
1973  13,394 129,106  55,247  115,802  300,155    3,261      295 
1974  13,091 130,324  59,733  164,401  353,458    3,852      273 
1975  11,548 137,478  59,478  203,851  400,096    4,307      245 
1976  10,662 153,263  64,524  207,227  425,014    4,880      289 
1977  11,271 129,619  66,950  262,998  459,567    4,640      290 
1978 10,979 210,792  66,323  285,290  472,405   3,445      272 
1979  11,466 114,370  72,243  162,529  349,142    3,095      244    Significant decrease in fires, MFAs, alarms
1980  11,252 127,876  76,327  185,500  389,703    3,303      289 
1981  11,720 122,261  75,653  164,118  362,032    3,090      246 
1982  11,990 111,799  77,132  152,147  341,078    2,782      248 
1983  11,908  96,276  76,772  139,083  312,131    2,320      228    Significant decrease in fires, MFAs, alarms
1984  12,096  94,329  78,769  142,224  315,322    2,148      206 
1985  12,080  97,454  81,553  132,522  311,529    2,240      213 

 
Perhaps the drop occurred as a result of the Red Cap program which had many more marshals.
 
John - I think the Red Cap Program began 1978

Mayor Koch:

 
mack said:
John - I think the Red Cap Program began 1978

Mayor Koch:
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Red Caps started in BKLYN in '77....the picture of Koch is in 68 & 49s qtrs when the program expanded to the BX the next year.
 
I believe what had a greater effect on the reduction in fires was the 1978 change in the welfare laws in NYC under Hizzoner, Ed Koch. Recipients no longer were guaranteed a better apartment, a suite in the Hotel Martinque (or similar hotel), or automatic inclusion on the City Housing Authority priority list.

Some of you fellows of a certain age may remember pulling up to an involved tenement and the occupants, with packed suitcases, waiting on the sidewalk for the social welfare agent to arrive and process the paper work for their new digs. It was a bone of contention for FF'S through out the War Years.

Just a coincidence...the law changed and fires dropped dramatically?
 
I think a combination of the change to welfare/housing rules.....closer scrutiny of the insurance industry payouts ....& aggresive action by Fire Marshal's after increasing their ranks tremendously from a handfull to many  all contributed to a slowdown in working Fires in the late '70s  (more specifically in BKLYN after mid '77) ....i think the 1st two things (housing rules & insurance crackdown) had as much to do w/it behind the scenes but visible to me on the street the Red Caps stand out as the period of change at least in my memory... JMO. 
 
Another factor about the drop in fires as the 70s ended - many of these neighborhoods were gone - incinerated.
 
Ladder 60 was planned to be put in service in the new firehouse adjoining Engine 45's house. At the time Ladder 58 was going to remain in the old quarters of Ladder 27. Not only was "Ladder 57" originally on the front of the new fire house for Engine 72, for a while a rig numbered for 57 was actually in their quarters.
 
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