raybrag said:Magirus makes aerials up to 55 meters (178 feet) today. They're widely used in Europe and other places around the world.
We use ladder trucks differently than you do in the States.truckman said:What do you ladder with that thing.....the clouds or heaven?
nfd2004 said:That is well put "69mets". If depts followed the FDNY questions would have been answered. I always wondered why many chiefs or depts didn't just ask the advice of the FDNY and get an answer to their problem. They test any new equipment, tactics etc. And you name it, they got it. From the highrises of Manhattan to the single family frames in parts of the city.
I guess you could say, "I'm on the outside looking in", but I see some of the tactics out there, and a lot of money spent on some new pipedream equipment for some depts and I just shake my head. Usually, the FDNY has tried it months ago, and if it didn't work, they rejected it. And they would gladly give the reasons why. They have tested and tried it. Whether its buying hose, turnout gear, or apparatus. Whether its how to vent a frame or venting a high rise, FDNY usually has the answer.
They might even be able to put a "Man on Mars" if they worked hard enough on it.
All kidding aside, they know their stuff and are always willing to help. And I'd say that's true from the Firefighter to the Highest Seasoned Officer.
I believe the FDNY was thinking of purchasing a long reach Bronto in the late 80's. I even remember seeing a drawing somewhere depicting a giant 4-axle Ladder 24 Bronto. I don't know why they didn't buy one but I can tell you IMHO that something that big cannot maneuver around Manhattan.HelsinkiVolunteer said:nfd2004 said:That is well put "69mets". If depts followed the FDNY questions would have been answered. I always wondered why many chiefs or depts didn't just ask the advice of the FDNY and get an answer to their problem. They test any new equipment, tactics etc. And you name it, they got it. From the highrises of Manhattan to the single family frames in parts of the city.
I guess you could say, "I'm on the outside looking in", but I see some of the tactics out there, and a lot of money spent on some new pipedream equipment for some depts and I just shake my head. Usually, the FDNY has tried it months ago, and if it didn't work, they rejected it. And they would gladly give the reasons why. They have tested and tried it. Whether its buying hose, turnout gear, or apparatus. Whether its how to vent a frame or venting a high rise, FDNY usually has the answer.
They might even be able to put a "Man on Mars" if they worked hard enough on it.
All kidding aside, they know their stuff and are always willing to help. And I'd say that's true from the Firefighter to the Highest Seasoned Officer.
So your saying that "Bronto type-ladders" have been tested by the FDNY?
And they wasn't good enough?
And the old "ladder-type" ladder beat them?
We will be getting a 5-axle 235 feet tall ladder in Helsinki this year.guitarman314 said:I believe the FDNY was thinking of purchasing a long reach Bronto in the late 80's. I even remember seeing a drawing somewhere depicting a giant 4-axle Ladder 24 Bronto. I don't know why they didn't buy one but I can tell you IMHO that something that big cannot maneuver around Manhattan.HelsinkiVolunteer said:nfd2004 said:That is well put "69mets". If depts followed the FDNY questions would have been answered. I always wondered why many chiefs or depts didn't just ask the advice of the FDNY and get an answer to their problem. They test any new equipment, tactics etc. And you name it, they got it. From the highrises of Manhattan to the single family frames in parts of the city.
I guess you could say, "I'm on the outside looking in", but I see some of the tactics out there, and a lot of money spent on some new pipedream equipment for some depts and I just shake my head. Usually, the FDNY has tried it months ago, and if it didn't work, they rejected it. And they would gladly give the reasons why. They have tested and tried it. Whether its buying hose, turnout gear, or apparatus. Whether its how to vent a frame or venting a high rise, FDNY usually has the answer.
They might even be able to put a "Man on Mars" if they worked hard enough on it.
All kidding aside, they know their stuff and are always willing to help. And I'd say that's true from the Firefighter to the Highest Seasoned Officer.
So your saying that "Bronto type-ladders" have been tested by the FDNY?
And they wasn't good enough?
And the old "ladder-type" ladder beat them?
raybrag said:Let's not get into a watering tournament here, guys. Some of the recent posts seem to insinuate that FDNY has the ONLY good ideas in firefighting, and now our Finnish friend talks about a "better" ladder. Can't we agree that yes, FDNY is a great department, but there are other great departments in many places around the world. Conditions in Helsinki are far different than in NYC and perhaps a long-reach Bronto is better for the conditions there; and maybe a 75' Aerialscope or 100' straight stick is better for NYC. That doesn't mean that Finnish firefighters are better (or worse) than FDNY members . . . just that they face different conditions when they meet the red beast.
Your opinion of Brontos working better in Europe than in the States is a bit "wrong".FDNY150 said:While I think Bronto makes a product that works well in Europe, I think the size of the rig, and the size of the streets here in the city don't mesh. I know of a few departments in the states that have them. Try getting one of those down oh I dunno, 5th Avenue or Broadway during rush hour on a friday before a holiday weekend. Never mind the fact the city would have to put some reinforcement on the floor of any firehouse it's being quartered in. I've shot two of them in my travels. One in Phoenix and one in Anaheim. Impressive to look at, but not really sure how well it works for them. Made for some nice pics though. Grizz, there's a picture of it that Bill Friedrich took. It's in a book I have. If I could only find it.