Ladder 135 Apparatus

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baileyjeff

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I know this is a sore subject but will Ladder 135 apparatus be taken out of service for testing?
 
This is a hard for me since 135 was in our quarters for 3 months.
T.L. 135's APPARATUS WAS TAKEN OUT OF SERVICE IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE HORRIBLE INCIDENT. IT WAS INSPECTED AT THE FIRE SCENE AND THEN WENT TO THE SHOPS WERE IT STILL WAS AS OF LAST NIGHT WHEN I WENT OVER TO 135s QUARTERS
 
I'm sure the insurance carriers and various lawyers for the city, the manufacturer and others will spend weeks, if not months, inspecting the rig looking for design, engineering, maintenance and mechanical flaws and that FDNY Shop records and Ladder 135 company records for the vehicle will be pored over with a fine-tooth comb.  I'd imagine that NFPA, OSHA, NIST and others will also want to look at it from their own perspectives.  My guess is that it won't be back out on the streets for a while.

Does anyone know if any new Department Orders have gone out concerning use of the bucket?
 
  When I first heard of this tragedy I thought June 13, 1974, when firefighter Harry Hoey of TL17 was killed when the tower ladder bucket jerked and he fell 6 stories. He was trying to rescue two elderly people from the roof of a tenement bldg. at 412 E. 148th St., in the Bronx.
 
Harold Hoey LAD*17 was another member of my proby class in '68 & the first of several classmates to make the  SUPREME SACRIFICE LOD.....CONTINUED REST IN PEACE TO ALL..
 
manhattan said:
I'm sure the insurance carriers and various lawyers for the city, the manufacturer and others will spend weeks, if not months, inspecting the rig looking for design, engineering, maintenance and mechanical flaws and that FDNY Shop records and Ladder 135 company records for the vehicle will be pored over with a fine-tooth comb.  I'd imagine that NFPA, OSHA, NIST and others will also want to look at it from their own perspectives.  My guess is that it won't be back out on the streets for a while.

Does anyone know if any new Department Orders have gone out concerning use of the bucket?
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As it should be; a Man Died.
I wondered about the Flag - it seemed to wrap-around the bucket back to the 'gate'.
 
It will be interesting to see what they find out. Maybe the bottom of the bucket caught on the cornice and he was trying to move it. That's a lot of hydraulic pressure. Maybe it broke free and that caused the side to side jerk an maybe tossed him out of the bucket? If the operator at the turntable switched power to the bucket, does he have over-ride power? Was he even in the bucket, or was he entering or exiting? Maybe changing SOP's and requiring a tether at all times while in the bucket, and unclipping when you are on the roof? You assume that the tower ladder is safer than an aerial ladder. Lots of questions, that's for sure. R.I.P. brother. May God bless your family.
 
columbusfire said:
Maybe changing SOP's and requiring a tether at all times while in the bucket, and unclipping when you are on the roof?
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That's already the SOP in many departments, I'm sort of surprised it isn't in FDNY.
 
I just read an article dated April 21st, 2017 and it stated that the bottom of the bucket got caught/stuck on the parapet wall and maybe there was a mis-communication with the chauffeur at the turntable. Sounds like there wasn't any mechanical failure or mechanical cause.
 
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