My younger Buff years

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Thanks Andy about that Newark Story. Your father was right. Newark was sure burning. And you're also right about buying them a pint. One for every single one of them.

  Andy, the story is Great. And we've started another post on "National" called "The Other War Years". "vbcapt" has already mentioned about Norfolk. I hope to tell a few stories there myself. Of course there's still more to tell about the FDNY too.

  I'm just very greatful to everybody who contributes to these stories. And I'm very Thankful for this site that allows us to do this.
 
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nfd2004 said:
Lifeguard238 said:
The shot with the "flying standpipe" is pretty cool.  I've seen that done with a regular aerial ladder, a stretch from the ladder into an upper floor, but never something like that.
"Lifeguard" they actually did that quite a bit. Alot of these buildings had previous fire damage in them, and rather than try stretching a line up those stairs, it was a lot safer and faster to bring the line up from the bucket of the Tower Ladder. Plus it saved on lengths of hose needed. A good example of just one of those simple things that you learn when buffing these guys.

TL-17 bringing a hose line up to an engine co. on the top floor of a vacant building.
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I just can't tell you how many nights I sat in my room listening to that Brooklyn. It would be 2 AM or 3 AM and the radio was just non stop. Dispatchers George Munch (I think #247 in those days), and Warren Fuchs (I think #120) were some of my favorites. There were others too, but I had met George and Warren back in those busy days. While most guys my age were out drinking or chasing the ladies, I was just happy chasing fire trucks in New York and my home town of Bridgeport.(see: "The Other War Years" in National).
  In those days there were no MDTs, CAD, or no aids to help those dispatchers. You could here the pull boxes coming in all the time over the radio. In the back ground, everybody was talking. You could tell everybody was busy, just by listening. At one point, during the peak of the War Years, my brother made a 24 hour, reel to reel audio tape for the entire month of, I think August, 1975 or 1976. He made it for a friend of ours, but we really don't know if he has it, or would it still play after all those years. Job after job were on it. Second Sections, I think TCUs, everything we've talked about here.
  I spent most of my FDNY buffing time in the Bronx and Harlem. But turning on that scanner to the Boro of Brooklyn, just had a certain class about it. They were so busy and could just rattle off companies, and addresses without missing a beat. One after another. I'd hear one job, then want to get the progress reports, then another. Then another. I'd have to force myself to get some sleep, because 5 AM came real early to get up and go to work. It just went on and on like that, day after day. There really was no rest. It was just constant running and jobs. While most people were watching Johnny Carson's Tonight Show, I was listening to the Best Fire Dispatchers in the World putting Brooklyn's Bravest to work during those Busy Brooklyn Nights. The fire activity was just non-stop.
 

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Turning out - late 1960s  (a composite from tours spent with my dad)

It was a routine summer night.  Through the screen door from the kitchen, you could see the new proby listening to the the 2nd alarm progress report, which was now under control.  He was disappointed.  Neither company had responded.  Everyone knew he was anxiously waiting for his first big job to prove himself. Other members displayed no interest in the fire they knew they would not respond to.  Most had had a few jobs and several runs their last tour.  This 6x9 night tour would be no different. There was a card game, Gin Rummy, being played at the kitchen table by the two senior members working the shift.  The other members were watching the Mets on the large, 24 inch, RCA color TV.  Neither the Mets or the Yankees were doing well in those years.  Like NYC in general.  The kitchen went immediately silent as the bells started to ring.  You could see everyone counting, lips were betraying an outward nonchalence.  A kitchen "mute" button seemed to be hit. When the second set of bells on the telegraph alarm indicated this was not a response box, it was back to normal.  The housewatch quickly reassured with an "OK engine, OK truck, OK chief".  This was repeated rapidly, two or three times for different boxes, over the next 15 minutes. The card game and baseball arguements continued in the kitchen.  A few more jokes.  When the next box came in, the engine whip, still playing cards, announced matter-of-factly, "that's a bad box".  A quick story or two about a job on that block, bad building, lack of hydrants.  7 or 8 minutes later, the 7-5 signal bangs in for the bad box.  The kitchen remains silent this time as the housewatch yells for the battalion to turn out as the all-hands chief.  Without emotion, the aide and chief quickly walk down the stairs from the chief's office, get in the plain red station wagon and wait for the member on housewatch to stop traffic for them.  They already had 7 or 8 runs this tour since they relieved the day shift at 4:30. Most were 10-92s, false alarms, but they had a trash fire, food on the stove and an ADV (abandoned derelict vehicle). The chief has his white dress hat on and is reaching for his turnout gear folded on the back seat.  He has the radio to his ear waiting for the next progress report.  The siren from the chief's vehicle becomes harder to hear and then vanishes in the early evening sounds of a busy neighborhood. The senior guys in the kitchen calmly agree that the truck is first due on the second and that the engine goes, too.  The housewatch makes the same announcement holding the assignment card in his hands.  The lieutenants, who were studying upstairs for the upcoming captain test, slide the pole and start a quiet discussion at the houswatch desk around the department radio.  There is talk about best route to take and who else could be responding in at different intersections.  Is the squad responding?  The proby in the kitchen asks a question and immediately gets told he "better not f--- up" as everyone laughs.  The proby silently leaves the kitchen and heads for the housewatch desk.  One of the truckies makes a quick sandwich, wraps it up and sticks it in his pocket.  There a few quick glasses of water gulped. One-by-one, the members watching the baseball game leave the kitchen. A few stop by their turnout gear, one goes to the john, most head to the housewatch desk.  There is a quick cigarette lit. The Gin Rummy game continues at a quicker pace.  The radio is louder now and the deputy's request for another truck is heard.  The truckies walk to their riding positions on different sides of the rig, kick off their shoes, put on their turnout gear and mount their 85 foot all-red tillered apparatus without saying a word. The tillerman signals he is ready.  The housewatch man runs out into the street and waves the truck out of quarters.  They are already heading out the door before the dispatcher taps out the 5 bells and bad box signal announcing the special call.  The proby's early smile is gone and he has a nervous look on his face as the lieutenant talks to him.  Everyone is silent as the chief's aide gives the next progress report.  "Two lines stretched and in operation...Occupants being removed...Heavy fire condition...Exposures... Checking extension to cockloft...Doubtful will hold."  Another two minutes go by.  Members are silent, faces are confident.  This is a good crew.  It's like watching a baseball team before they take the field to start a game.  The division aide is now back on the radio and out of breath.  The senior member is already walking over to the driver's position.  He could tell by the new excitement in the aides' voice.  "The fire has extended into the cockloft - transmit the second."  Members put on their black and yellow-striped rubber turnout coats and leather helmets. Shoes are kicked off.  Everyone slides into their boots.  The red Mack's engine cranks and spits out exhaust across the apparatus floor.  Two guys are already out in the street to stop traffic.  The officer hits the air horn as the engine rolls into the street and stops for members to mount the back step.  The doors are closed by the proby and he mounts the rear step as the member next to him says "first real job, don't f---up kid."  Air horn and siren slowly become silent as the engine responds into the summer night.  The cards were left on the kitchen table with two coffee cups, Ralph Kiner was summarizing how the Mets lost on the big 24 inch RCA color TV, the engine's exhaust fumes lingered across the apparatus floor, 10 pairs of shoes and a few drip pans remained where the rigs were located only a few minutes ago.  And I listened to the department radio at the housewatch desk and waited for my dad to return.  It was a routine summer night.       
 
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Thanks Mack, you got a Great story there. The rubber coats with the yellow stripes, the bells ringing in the firehouse, and the red station wagon Battalion Cars etc, etc. As you describe it, I could picture being in the firehouse myself.
  Progress is Great. MDTs, Bunker Gear, Air Conditioned Rigs, But don't you just wish we could "Bottle Up Those Days" and save them.
  On a side note and somewhat off track here, Mack and I had a lot in common. Hope you don't mind Mack. We both didn't do too good in Catholic Grammer School, but we loved going to the firehouse to see our dads. But, our dads sure didn't love going to see the nuns about how we were doing in school those days. One night when my father was called in because I wasn't doing too well, the nun asked me: "William, what do you want to do when you grow up" ? I said: "Be A FIREMAN" !!! It wasn't really what they wanted to hear.  They always wanted you to be a priest, doctor, or a lawyer. I remember my father wanted to hide when I responded with that. When Mack's father and my father were on the job, it was really low pay and long hours. When my father (I called him "Smoke") started, he worked 7 days, then 7 nights, then 2 days off. (96 hrs). For me, growing up kinda poor with my two brothers and sister wasn't so bad. As long as I got to visit my father at the firehouse.
  Thanks again Mack for all your Great Posts.
 
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One night when my father was called in because I wasn't doing too well, the nun asked me: "William, what do you want to do when you grow up" ? I said: "Be A FIREMAN" !!! It wasn't really what they wanted to hear.  They always wanted you to be a priest, doctor, or a lawyer. I remember my father wanted to hide when I responded with that.

nfd - was thinking ....... if you were a priest you could have been a fire chaplain;  a doctor - you could have worked at the FD Medical Division; a lawyer - you could have been working at headquarters, and like one of the FDNY lawyers - become a Deputy Commissioner.  The nun knew!!!!! :) :D ::)
 
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When I would go buffing the Bronx (or Brooklyn), I usually got into the boro around 11:00 AM or so. In July and August, the streets were already steaming hot. Fire hydrants would be running on every block. Water was flowing down the streets like rapid rivers. As you'd ride down some of those streets, it wasn't uncommon to get your car soaked and all the windows had to be rolled up. The kids would take tin cans and open both ends. Then they aimed the water flow to your car. Or they would take a tire and a piece of wood to make your car a target for that heavy water flow. The younger kids would be jumping up and down on several old mattresses in those rubble strewn abondonded lots. The scene of previous building fires.
  As the day went on it got hotter. Groups of teenagers would gather on street corners. An Engine company would be dispatched to that corner for a street pull box. Of course there was no fire and nobody saw anything. We'd hear the 10-92 (false alarm) given for the box number. Within a few minutes or so we'd hear Bronx to Engine ###, respond to Box ####. The same box that had just been pulled earlier. The stage was being set for bigger and better things. Maybe next time would be an abondonded car fire, or a large pile of rubbish. But everybody seemed to know what was coming. The FDNY War Year Members, The Buffs, even the local people in the neighborhood knew, before the night was over, there'd be a big job. Sure enough, after four or five false alarms from the same box, maybe one or two fires to kind of "wet their whistle" in that block, the big job would hit. Nobody saw anything during the entire night, yet the FDNY had responded to the street 6 or 8 times earlier. And there'd be two or three floors of fire as the members arrived for the Grand Finale. Maybe the same thing would start all over again the next night.
 
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I remember the kids playing with the hydrants and aiming for your car when you drove past. How about all the kids climbing on the rigs when the members were working at a job. NO WAY would they be allowed to do that today.
 
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nfd - was thinking ....... if you were a priest you could have been a fire chaplain;  a doctor - you could have worked at the FD Medical Division; a lawyer - you could have been working at headquarters, and like one of the FDNY lawyers - become a Deputy Commissioner.  The nun knew!!!!! :) :D ::)
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  "kfd274", yeah, after a week or so I've been thinking about that myself. Besides, it sure would have sounded good. "Father Willy "D", or "Doctor Willy "D", or better yet, "Attorney Willy "D". Those nuns might have been Old and Nasty but I guess they sure knew what was best for us. But here's the thing that they just didn't understand. If I had listened to them, I wouldn't have gotten to ride Squad "A" through the downtown streets of Norwich (CT). I'm sure a rich guy like Bill Gates wishes he could have done that too.
  So I guess life really wasn't so bad. Got to ride Squad "A" for a few years. Saw the FDNY and a few other cities during their busiest, most historic time for fires. And then got to tell about it on a GREAT WEB SITE, like this. And Thanks to all those that contributed, and to those that just listened. But the real credit goes to those War Years Firefighters and Dispatchers, who did the almost impossible job every single day for those so many years. For some an entire career.
  Bill Dennis (AKA Willy "D")
 
 
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My first trip buffing Brooklyn was in 1980. Yea....I know it wasn't the war years but I sure did enjoy the "Boro of Fire". Got into Brooklyn around 10 pm after spending the day in the Bronx as we usually did. Bklyn was new to me and I was excited to explore new grounds. Absolutely loved the Bklyn Dispatchers.....never more than a minute or two of radio silence.......very active. Although there were several jobs that night, we caught nothing. We took the advice of our friend "Nfd" and tried to stay in a certain area. If you headed out to all jobs that were transmitted, you would just be dissappointed. As soon as you left an area, there would be a job within a block of where you just spent hours waiting. My first job came in around 6:30 am on a hot August morning. It was already in the 80's and very humid. The city never did cool off much that night !! It was a 4 story building on the sw corner or Rockaway Ave. and Hull St. E-232 was first due and there was fire throughout. Store on the first floor and vacant upstairs. E-233, L120, L176 the 44 and another Engine and Chief were also there. Thinking back, the amount of fire and the few units assigned seemed odd to me then. The fellas went about there business and that was that. That fire today would at least have been a 2nd or maybe a third. Dozens of units, Chiefs, PD, etc......There wasn't a single person on the street watching that morning and I remember thinking to myself how this must be an everyday thing in the neighborhood. One look around would have seen that. Back to the dispatchers........took me a while to figure out who the BUG man was and my favorite was the Chief asking for a 10-7 and the Dispatcher replied "Chief...thats Apt 4c.....as in breadcrumbs"....CLASSIC !!!!!!
 
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Great story Scott (Bxboro) and thanks for sharing it. Don't you wish we could do it all over again. And you're right, the 80s still had plenty of action. I think the first year that the Fire Marshall "Red Caps" went into place was the Fall of 1978 (?). FDNY had hit 100 Multiple Alarms for a month or so before that (the actual War Years). When the Red Caps started hitting the streets, the multiples dropped to 50-60 per month. Yes, the War Years were coming to an end. But as "Bxboro" explains, an All Hands in the 80s would be a Second or Third today.
  Point is, even though the multiple alarms were almost cut in half, there were some pretty big ALL Hands jobs in those 1980s. So if you missed out on the Busy Historic War Years, but was around for those 1980s, there was still plenty of activity around. It's just that some neighborhoods were already wiped out. And that in itself, was something to see. Riding through completely burned out neighborhoods with nobody left, except a few pigeons living in those burned out shells. Hard to believe this sight was just a few miles from the "Heartbeat of the World". The Cosmopolitan of Midtown Manhattan. Two different worlds apart. 
 
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After several trips to Bklyn.....one day we were at a job and got to talking to the fellas from 231/120 and were invited back for coffee. After the job we headed to Watkins St. to say hello and that was the start of many of nights riding with the 44. These Co's were at the top of there game as were the rest of the neighboring Co's. That neighborhood was still going to fires daily and never did I not go to a job when riding....it was great. The 44 Aide "Ratso" was something else!! One evening we were at 283's for a Division meeting. Hanging around the watchdesk, Ratso was telling us stories after stories. A Box came in for a job on Stone Ave. (Mother Gaston Blvd.) and the dispatcher (Fuchs) asked the units for a 10-12 because of the delayed time for the Chief. Without any delay, Ratso picked up the phone and promptly advised the Dispatcher that the reported address was in fact a vacant lot......enough said !!! 
 
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Through out this series we discussed several extra companies. Some were called Second Sections, others TCUs (Tactical Control Units), and those Squad Companies of the War Years. There were also Battalions that operated during those busy years. The Bronx had Battalion 55 with Engine 73/Ladder 42, and Battalion 56 with Engine 46/Ladder 27.
  There was also a "roving" Battalion in Brooklyn called Battalion 60. I do also remember a Battalion 59 that I think operated in Brooklyn also.
  I'd like to thank a few of "The Greatest Generation of Firefighters" for refreshing my memory on another site. Including the retired member who was the Captain of Engine 82 during those very hectic times.
 

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There were several battalion 2nd sections operating in the late 60s.  I know the 44 had a 2nd section which I think became Bn 58.  There was also 2nd sections for Bn 3, 12, 39.  They disbanded in the 70s and created new battalions with them.  Most of the "real busy" (all battalions were "busy") new battalions had only 2 firehouses - 4 companies.  And they still went from box to box.  It was not unusual to hear the dispatcher asking for "any available battalion in the boro of --------- for a working fire?"

They also formed the 17th Division in Brooklyn about the same time they formed the new battalions.
 
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mack said:
There were several battalion 2nd sections operating in the late 60s.  I know the 44 had a 2nd section which I think became Bn 58.  There was also 2nd sections for Bn 3, 12, 39.  They disbanded in the 70s and created new battalions with them.  Most of the "real busy" (all battalions were "busy") new battalions had only 2 firehouses - 4 companies.  And they still went from box to box.  It was not unusual to hear the dispatcher asking for "any available battalion in the boro of --------- for a working fire?"

They also formed the 17th Division in Brooklyn about the same time they formed the new battalions.
Also the 2nd section at Batt. 14 which became BC26. BC12/BC25, BC3/BC27, and I believe BC37/BC28 and BC34/BC57
 
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Thank you very much "mack" and "G-man". I surely appreciate that info. And yes, I do remember the 17th Division in Brooklyn. Let me just list them in order and maybe easier to follow. I know my brother "georged4997" (Bridgeport retired War Years Chief), might have a little bit of trouble following this if I don't.
      Battalion 3,-2 (Second Section)...became Battalion 27
      Battalion 12 - 2.........................became Battalion 25
      Battalion 14 - 2.........................became Battalion 26
      Battalion 34 - 2.........................became Battalion 57
      Battalion 37 - 2.........................became Battalion 28
      Battalion 44 - 2.........................became Battalion 58
  And then there was also Battalion 60 which was a "Rovering Chief" in Brooklyn, who may have only been in service during certain peak hours, similiar to the TCUs. And then also there was Battalion 59. Somebody said that Battalion 59 covered fulltime, parts of Brooklyn and Queens. What is now the 28 and 46 area. But I'm not sure on that one.
  Thanks again to "mack" and "G-man" for supplying that info.
 
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BN*60 was on duty 24/7..... in the evenings from 1800 to 0100 they rotated as the first section of certain BKLYN Bns they hit each one every third night .......1 night in BN*35.....1 night in BN*44 & i dont remember the third night ...may have been BN*37.......from 0100 till 1800 the next night they were in the qtrs of ENG*218 at 650 Hart St bet Myrtle & Central in Bushwick & responded at the direction of the Dispatcher to wherever neccesary......they were in existence approx from '70 till '75.......some great Chiefs & BN FFs were in the unit.... when i was in LAD*108 ,every third night they were in the 35 & after we moved to Union Av they were joined by SQ*3 on those nights who acted as the first section of ENG*216 ..........BN*59 was a full time BN who was organized twice during those GREAT years.......first time was in ENG*275 in South Jamaica Queens with the intent of lightening up the workload of BN*50 & BN*54...the 51 was still in w/ ENG*294 in Woodhaven......nowadays the 51 is in w/ ENG*308 & kind of picks up some of 50 & 54 s boxes ......59 started in  '70 & closed in '75......they were reorganized in the qtrs of ENG*319 in Middle Village Queens in '84  until '89   they were a full time BN given boxes to lighten the load of BN*46 in Queens & Bn* 28 just over the Bklyn. border.....however they really only got boxes in the slower portion of the 46 & 28......both Bns remained busy.
 
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Thanks there "68jk09" for providing that info. I remember hearing the "59" and "60" Battalions, but really didn't realize how they worked and what area's they served. Thank you very much for sharing that with us.
  On a side note, there are many readers on here that weren't around for those very busy FDNY War Years. For myself, and my brother, (georged4997), we were just a couple of part time buffs that got to see some of what went on during those busy times. Or how those firefighters fought the fires in America's busiest neighborhoods and worked the busiest firefighting outfits the World has ever seen. And probadly will never see again.
  "My Younger Buff Years" is really dedicated to those guys that fought a huge amount of fire activity on a daily basis. No Firefighters, have ever come close to doing the fire activity that the FDNY WAR YEARS FIREFIGHTERS FOUGHT. There has been a huge interest in this subject worldwide.
  "68jk09", as a firefighter of those busy times, and as your other brothers who have fought those fires, "its time for you guys to stand up and take a bow". We Salute You. And in our own selfish way, we hope that you will contribute to "My Younger Buff Years" as you were there doing it. Thank You.
 

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My dad rode in Bn 60.  Loved it.  All fire duty - no admin/no paperwork - except fire reports.  Rotated into great firehouses.  Busy every tour.  Thanks 68jk09 and nfd2004
 
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mack said:
My dad rode in Bn 60.  Loved it.  All fire duty - no admin/no paperwork - except fire reports.  Rotated into great firehouses.  Busy every tour.  Thanks 68jk09 and nfd2004

  "mack" I'm sure you read above what "68jk09" wrote about Bn 60. Let me quote: "some great chiefs and FF's were in that unit". That say's it all. Being called a "Great Chief or Firefighter" by your peers in the fire dept is something that is "earned" not just some pat on the back given out. To me, your father is considered to be one of "The Greatest Generation of Firefighters" to ever live. He was a Leader of many other "Greatest Generations of Firefighters" who paid their dues every shift they worked. And after some 30 or 40 years, nobody has ever come close to the kind of work they did.
  I'm sure I saw the 60 Battalion at many jobs in those days, and I'm sure your father was there. "mack", I'm sure that you're very proud of your father. I didn't even know him, but just from what has been said, "we are all very proud of him".
 
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