My younger Buff years

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There has been a lot of questions regarding former battalions, TCU's, Engine and Ladder CO's and other units. Mike Boucher has created a great PDF document regarding all this. I think the site is NYFD.Com. This is a great reference document, if anyone has a more correct web site address please post. You will not embarass me ;D
 

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I remember as a kid listening to war stories told in fire house kitchens, softball games and picnics by "old timers" who talked about the good old days of the 1940s and 1950s.  These were well-respected veterans who talked about jobs, operating without masks, being able to take "good feeds".  They spoke of raising heavy wooden ladders, stretching into unsprinkled loft buildings, putting out fires without sprinklers, poor fire codes, using scaling ladders, riding on the back step in winter, training with safety nets, double companies, squads for manpower, and using fire alarm boxes to communicate with the dispatcher.  They considered their era difficult, dangerous, busy.  And it was.  Busy companies did 600 or 700 runs to make the FDNY top 25 list for Runs and Workers.  Most were World War II or Korean veterans and they considered their fire duty similar to their combat war years - maybe more dangerous. 

The "War Years" of the 60s/70s/80s, into the 90s in some areas, cannot be understated.  Countless fires, false alarms, voice alarm, adaptive response, TCUs, ADVs, covered rigs, radioes, safety ropes, masks, companies responding 9000 runs a year. There were intense physical demands.  Injuries - lots of injuries.  Too few members trying to do too much.  2 engines and a truck doing the work of a full first alarm assignment.  I remember seeing my dad come home from working a night tour with three soot-stained shirts, blisters on his neck, puffy eyes.  That was normal. These were "War Years" and you have to admire the firefighters (in NYC and other cities) who served during this era.

Things have changed significantly.  I got to thinking my last night shift just how different things are today from tours worked during the "War Years".  A 2 AM medical run (one of many that night).  Within 5 minutes, members go from their bunks to a high rise with AED, O2, stretcher, aide bag, etc.  Within 10 minutes, vitals checked, patient assessment made, patient on O2, etc.  Within 20-25 minutes, EKG, line started, dexi, etc.  Paramedics/EMTs/firefighters are routinely performing life saving skills that emergency room doctors used to do in the not too distant past. Patient stabilization, pain management, transport.  There is no room for error.  Every patient presents an opportunity to contract disease.  There is the treat of liability claims, even if proper protocols are followed.  There are privacy issues.  Medical treatment records.  All that - betweeen 2 AM and 3 AM.  There are also HazMat runs.  There is not enough money to fund all the units required.  Firefighters are getting laid off in cities.  Training has been reduced.  And there are still fires.  Maybe not as many as the 1980s - but still, a lot of fires. Units are doing 2000/3000/4000 runs a year.  Emergency medical care/terrorism deterrence/environment protection/response to disasters/cyber attack protection requirements/and fighting fires? I do not want to diminish in any way the challenges and contributions of the past but I thought - are we in a "New War Years" era, of sorts? 
 
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"mack" that sure covers it over the last 6 or 7 decades. I can relate to EVERY Word. It's like what I saw and remember too. For anybody who is into the fire service, I think being a part of the so-called "baby boomer generation" was about the best time to be around. The Great Stories and Role Models of the "Greatest Generation" were our fathers, espically being on the job. The "Baby Boomers" got to be a part of the busiest time for fires in history. Whether it was the FDNY, or any other city. We got the chance to Tiller the Hook and Ladder and/or ride the back step of the Engine. It's just been the Best of Both Worlds for me.
  And "mack" is right. In a short few years, we probadly will be reading about the "War Years" of today's Firefighters. A few recent visits to some firehouses, and hearing what the current generation of firefighters have to say, I'm sure there will be plenty to write about.
  Although I'd Love to be about 35-40 years younger these days (currently a fat, balding, 61 year old), I wouldn't want to trade my Great Memories of the FDNY Buffing, or buffing a few other busy cities, or years on the job in the small City of Norwich, Ct for anything. Just really a Great time to be a part of the Fire Service.
  But I do hope to be around so that I can read the stories of the New War Years Firefighters. Even the most seasoned retired firefighters might be amazed at some of "their stories". I've heard a few already.
 
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As the temperature and humidity rises outside my bedroom window (on 6/28/2010) in Connecticut, these were the type of days that really saw the most action. I would leave my home about 8 AM usually headed to the South Bronx. Sometimes it was Harlem or Bed Sty/Bushwick. Of course I would take with me a picnic lunch because there just wasn't any place to eat in those neighborhoods, except the White Castle on Webster Ave in the Bronx.
  I'd usually get to the Bronx New England throughway around 11 AM. Of course the scanner would be non-stop with activity. Co-op City had just been built and I think Eng 66/Lad 61 was newly formed there. As I entered the Bronx, I would usually see either Eng 66 or 38 operating at a rubbish fire off the highway there. There were no stores or shopping centers there at that time. As I approached the Third Ave Exit off the Cross Bronx, maybe a job was being put "under control". Once settled in, usually around Eng 46 or 82, one of my riders would grab a paper and pencil for when the activity really picked up. He would just write down the box numbers, then if we needed to, we'd look it up in the box location book. It was impossible to keep track of everything. And we'd only have the Bronx/Manhatten on. A job would come in, and as we head for that job, another closer one would come in that we would "take in" instead. Sometimes you'd see two or three seperate columns of smoke. Of course one could be a car fire or an oil burner. Sometimes we'd get fooled.
  As the day went on, and night approached, the work and runs would pick up. There would be jobs that we wouldn't even consider going to, because they were a little bit out of our reach. It just wasn't worth leaving the neighborhood to chase one fire a few miles away. Just too much work in one area, to leave it for another.
 
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You also knew you were in the city because within 500' over the city line on I95 south you would see an abandoned vehicle on the side of the road. Stripped and burned out.
 
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patrickfd said:
You also knew you were in the city because within 500' over the city line on I95 south you would see an abandoned vehicle on the side of the road. Stripped and burned out.

  You got that right Pat. Always, had a burned out ADV on the side of the road. No tires, nothing left. Nothing but a burned out shell. 

  Hope "Patrickfd" doesn't mind me mentioning it. As I understand it, Pat's father was on the job and a part of those Busy Hartford War Years, and before that they lived near/hung out at 231/120s house.
 
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"mack", Thanks again. Do I say; "Thanks for posting those Great Memories" ????? Looking at the first above picture with the "ADV" and the vacant 5-6 brick today, it's hard to believe that things were so bad there. On the first video called "the Vandals", yes, that's the way it was. Nothing lasted long on the streets as it was shown. And how many times did those Greatest Generation Firefighters just put out those ADV Fires. I think in Brooklyn near the Belt Parkway was a favorite drop off point. I remember hearing about that area with it's numerous car fires. And notice the booster line and lack of bunker gear. Some how those thousands of car fires got put out that way. It was just so routine.
  I think the third video, "the fires and the wasteland", might have been posted here before. But it tells the story and sure has some Great War Years Photos. Again, just hard to believe how bad things really were in those days.
  I don't know if anybody else had any problems viewing the second video called "New York Bronx (South Bronx) 70s and 80s". It just wouldn't play for me. If anybody can help me (us) out, I'd appreciate it. I'd sure love to view it.
  Thank you very much "macK' for posting these. I guess I have to say, for me, some Great Memories. That actually may be a little "sick" for the average person viewing these videos. Most people liked spending their off time in parks, or at beaches. For me it was the Ghettos of The South Bronx, Harlem, and parts of Brooklyn. Well yes, "I guess that really is a Little Sick".
 
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Great videos!  NFD2004:  Embedding is disabled on the 2nd video, so you've got to watch it on YouTube.  To do that, right click on the video window, then choose "Watch on YouTube".  Voila . . . it comes up on YouTube in a new window!
 

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Sorry nfd2004 about the difficulty viewing the second video.  It may be my posting mistake but for some of these videos, you get the message that it is "embedded".  You have to click on the embedded message to view independent of nyc firenet.  The video is collection of Bronx street scenes from the late 70s.  There are some clips of FDNY units responding and operating.

The Youtube video clips of NYC neighborhoods in the 50s and 60s show: stores, cars, trucks, apartment buildings, people sitting on their stoops, kids playing basketball and riding bikes, families.  The 70s and 80s videos show: rubble, vacant buildings, vacant blocks, grafitti, legs of mail boxes that disappeared; boarded up stores, barred windows on occupied buildings, traffic lights that do not work, cars ignoring red lights that did work, empty streets, abandoned cars (or what was left of them), garbage, boarded up churches, kids playing in empty lots on piles of bricks.  It's amazing how much destruction happened in 10-15 years. The videos are like the bombed-out cites of World War II. 

Back then, there always seemed to be a siren or air horn that could be heard and the haze and smell of smoke from last night's fires - indications that new neighborhoods were being destroyed.
 
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Early one evening we got a run , as the engine door went up, there was a car facing the door and a guy screaming something to the effect that his girlfriend had been kidnapped. This guy and his story obviously didn't fit into the neighborhood. One of the brothers told him we had a run, to move the car and we'd be back. I think the officer called for PD as we responded. When we got back he was gone but his car was still there, double parked in front of the firehouse. After the next run the hood was popped, the next run the hood was up and the battery was gone. Next run,  doors open, radio  gone and the trunk was open. It became comical,  after every run someone would take a walk over and report what was gone. Even on the runs someone would make a prediction of what would be taken by the time we got back. Not much left by morning. Cops told us the guy was involved in a drug deal gone bad. I don't think he got arrested but he didn't have any wheels, literally.
 
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One of the '60s tricks to get a brand new car battery in BKLYN was .....while the unit was out on a run ......they would slip into the vacant lot we parked in & pop your hood , remove your battery & throw it in the bushes......after the tour you could not start your vehicle.......you would open the hood & .....no batt......so you buy a new one & go home.....next tour in they would spot the car & lift the new batt........when they did this to my '64 Dodge ghetto wagon ....i took the useless pike axe & made a big hole right in the hood ....dropped a big chain into it & around the bumper & back up........locked it with a big padlock......saved my new batt......one other BROTHER had new tires on his car.....they loosened the lug nuts on the front & rear tires on the side of the car facing away from the Firehouse......he got in to go home but only made it around the corner when the clunking made him stop & pull over .......he walked back to the FH to get some assistance ....they were watching & had all 4 tires off & gone before they got back to the car.......gang of punks that hung out on the block made their living stealing cars & parts.......rarely did any time for it even when caught.
 
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raybrag said:
Great videos!  NFD2004:  Embedding is disabled on the 2nd video, so you've got to watch it on YouTube.  To do that, right click on the video window, then choose "Watch on YouTube".  Voila . . . it comes up on YouTube in a new window!
  Thanks "raybrag" for your help. I was able to view that video by clicking on the words under the box (if anybody can understand what I'm trying to say).
  I do think that video was posted earlier too. But with 40 plus pages of "My Younger Buff Years" it's kinda hard to follow. Besides, I'm sure there are some out there that are seeing what the South Bronx looked like for their first time, during those very busy War Years. For anybody who wasn't around and maybe questioned what it was like, "this video showed it". Blocks and blocks of burned out buildings, from fire after fire. It wasn't caused from any bomb being dropped. Its still hard to believe that this took place in what we call a Civilized Country. And just a few miles from the high society, flashy parts, of midtown Manhattan.
  And it wasn't just the miles of the South Bronx streets. Similiar areas of the Lower East side, Brownsville, Bed Sty, Bushwick, and Harlem you could also drive for blocks and see entire streets of burned out buildings. A little later the pattern started to spread to Flatbush, Coney Island, Jamaica, Washington Heights, and the West Bronx as we got into the 80s. My friend "bxboro" told me, when he started buffing in the 80s, He would see Ladder 44s bucket up at a job everytime he went down to buff.
 
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As "68jk09" says about the chains and padlocks going through the engine hood of the ghetto wagons (private vehicle used to drive to work), I certainly remember seeing that on a few cars. I didn't realize about the "new battery" being taken after stealing the original older battery. Those people knew just what they were doing. One of those unwritten fringe benefits of working in these areas. Strange but it was those same people that so depended on that neighborhood firehouse. The same people that were steeling those batteries were the one's depending on the fire dept to save their life and valuables.
 And going with what "turk132" had to say, as we would make the trip to the Bronx, we'd notice an ADV along the side of the road. Still had tires, battery etc. As we would start our day of chasing a few jobs, somebody would mention; "I wonder what's left of that ADV". Generally, by midnight it was completely stripped and maybe set on fire.
 Throughout all these stories and pages written, you really had to be there to witness what was going on. As I said before, when we left to go home, "it was like they opened the gates and let us out". Almost like leaving a "third world country" and then being back to civilization in a matter of minutes. And although I can't speak for everybody, as I watch some of these videos and look at the photos, or read the stories, it's still hard for me to believe what went on there some 30-40 years ago. "And I was there".
 
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This may not be much but, the funniest thing I saw concerning an ADV was one that used to be around the block from 332/175 years ago. The rotting hulk was there so long there was nothing left other than the shell of the car and a small tree was growing inside it.
 
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Some of the local swine would actually bang on the front door of the firehouse and offer to sell a car battery to the members. This generally would result in an announcement over the 'bitch box' for all members to check their cars to see whose battery had just been lifted.
 
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time to tell you all my buff story from back in the day,
in the mid/late 90s my uncle worked light duty at division 8 (which is in a 5 minute drive from my house) and he used to "borrow" the old 1991 suburban that was used as the messanger SUV to visit. and when he visited he used to come with the lights and siren on. he also used to let me play in it. one thing i remember about the suburban is the black handset style radio microphone. which i was surprised to notice are still being used when i visited D8 to take a few pictures back in February.
 
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