My younger Buff years

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IRISH said:
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Thank you Irish for posting that picture of Engine 85. I think that picture represents the time all this happened. Engine 85 had been moved from Eng 82/Lad 31s quarters on Intervale and 169 a few blocks away in a new portable firehouse at Boston Rd and 169 St. It was a metal firehouse on a concrete slab. A portable firehouse that could be relocated into other areas that started to burn. Ladder 59 became the second piece to move in with Eng 85.

Eng 85 was eventually closed down and Ladder 59 was relocated to another area as fire activity picked up in the West Bronx. Ladder 59 joined Engine 43.

This picture of Eng 85 with the words "Tin House" on it represents those very busy War Years in the South Bronx. There was no other place like it and I don't think there ever will be.

And Bxboro taking his morning shower at a running hydrant in that neighborhood. Bring a bar of soap, your toothbrush, and shampoo. That's all you needed for a buff trip. And of course the portable scanner with extra batteries, the street map book, and the box location book. Yeap, that's the way it was for a couple of young guys who just happened to chase the busiest fire dept in the world.
 
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In the picture of the crew in 82's house, there are 8 FF's plus the Officer.  Is this a shift change picture, or would they ride this heavy during the adaptive response hours?  Great picture, I have read "Report from Engine Company 82" several times.  This book is one of the reasons I went into a fire service career in the 80's.
 
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The guys that know better can correct me but in those busy years, I believe there were six guys on the Engines and seven on the Trucks.
 

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Bill - the extra staffing was for "Adaptive Response" - a lousy program which dispatched 2 engines, 1 truck and a chief instead of normal 3 and 2 response from 1500-0030 hrs daily.

TCU details:
TCUs worked 37 1/2 hrs; reported for duty at 1430 hrs at a firehouse "in an outlying area"; 30 minutes to drive w/assigned apparatus to quarters they operated from; in service as a conventional engine or truck until 0030 hrs; 30 minutes to drive back to firehouse where their apparatus was stored; worked 3 shifts and then 85 hrs off; 5% night differential for all hrs; all members volunteered and interviewed and selected for  their "firefighting experience, attitude, appearance, background and knowledge"; an officer and 7 firefighters in TCU trucks; an officer and 6 firefighters in TCU engines; all engine and ladder companies in adaptive response areas have rosters of 31 firefighters and staffed with "a minimum of 6 firefighters at all times";  increased staffing to match 2 engine and 1 truck adaptive response; all non-firefighting details would be covered from an "administrative quota" of firefighters to maintain minimum unit manning.
 
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The two firefighters who spoke in the clip, Eddie Monteque and Danny Gainey. Eddie was a bull of a man. During those years very few wore masks as there was no mandatory mask policy. When I had Eddie working for the tour Eddie would be my "mask guy" if/when I needed one for a final push. Would call him up to the nozzle and Eddie would make the final room(s), never failed. He passed away a few years ago in retirement. If the good Lord ever wants to extinguish the fires of hell, give Eddie the nozzle. Danny Gainey was a sweetheart of a guy. Was probably the nicest guy in the house at the time, yet he could and would make the hall or floor above with the best of them. He also passed away a few years ago in retirement. Those years took a heavy toll on a lot of the brothers. Thank you for remembering them.
 
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Curious about the adaptive response.  Would most fires be held to the 2 and 1 plus the chief due to the extra manpower, or would the 10-75 be regularly transmitted to bring the 3 and 2?  If  recall from reading earlier post, there was also a 10-30 for 2 and 2 during this time.
 
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During adaptive response the 2-1 signal was used primarily for pull boxes (which were the most frequent type of alarm back then) if a working fire was found on arrival a 10-30 or a 10-75 would be transmitted as appropriate.
 

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Department also used DRBs - Discretionary Response Boxes.  Battalions had option to respond or wait for engine or truck to give preliminary signal.  Reality was the battalions were going from box to box, just like many units.

 

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68jk09 said:
During adaptive response the 2-1 signal was used primarily for pull boxes (which were the most frequent type of alarm back then) if a working fire was found on arrival a 10-30 or a 10-75 would be transmitted as appropriate.

After the 10-codes were established (late 1960s) 10-30 was the only signal for a working fire, and mandated the full first alarm assignment of 3 and 2.  Somewhere in the early 1970s the NEW signal 10-75 was established, mandating the 3x2 response.  At that time, the 10-30 was then changed to provide a 2x2 response.

As an aside, back then, there was a candy bar named the 10-30, whose motto was "It's time for a 10-30", one of the companies on Park Avenue (Engine 230 or Squad 3) had an advertising card with that saying displayed in the front windshield of the pumper.
 
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811......Yes indeed Squad 3 left there signature mark...I remember for some strange reason Squad 3 was relocated into E 319......When we got back to quarters and after Squad 3 left we found there chalk markings all over quarters....It said
SQUAD 3 WAS HERE  10-30
 
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Interesting part of the clip was the chief stating the trouble of no fire protection in the area for an hour. November 73 was the four hour strike, no protection for 4 hours, no Bronx company was in service. Fortunately though the "norm" for the Bronx then helped prevent real tragedy. The Bronx those years would begin to "wake up" around 12 noon or so. Then it would get busy and busier as the day went on. Adaptive response started at 3PM. 82/31 missed 11 runs during the 4 hour period, 0900 to 1300 when the strike ended. All 11 runs were either 9-2's or outside rubbish. When the strike ended the officers held over were released at 1300. I remember coming down the stairs to go home around 1310. The on duty guys were putting their gear on the rigs. A first due box came in as they were putting their gear on the trucks. Box went to an all-hands. Was told later that by 1330 hours 3 all-hands were going in the 6th Division. If the strike had lasted one more hour there would have been a real fire problem in the Bronx.
 

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There is a good audio of the 1973 strike day at    http://www.hfdradio.com/FDNY.htm  "FDNY on Strike" (Hardford Fire Radio).  A few hours after the strike ended, 45 minutes into the clip, Box 3501, Sea Gate, was transmitted. 1 and 2 response (E 318/L166/L161/Bn43) to the box at the far end of Coney Island.  Dispatcher had started the second truck - responses had been 1+1 because of fire volume. Turned out to be an fully occupied, converted rooming house with a well advanced fire.  People trapped all over.  L 166 and L 161 pulled a dozen people or more out of the building. Turned out to be a dispatcher's 5th alarm, one of several multiple alarms that night.  The 10th Division was special called for this fire. Superpumper went to work. 
 
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Here's some photos I dug up online from the War Years:

First up is a shot of a couple of jakes and a mascot riding the backstep of an old Mack pumper, possibly in the Bronx:



A shot of the 4th Battalion in quarters in the '70's (Not sure if this has already been posted):



And from the "Willy D" (nfd2004) archives, an FDNY recruitment poster from 1977:

 
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"fdny1075k", thank you for posting these photos onto "My Younger Buff Years".

1) Riding the back step of the Engine Co back in those busy days were the way it was with 3/4 boots rolled down. The Engines were often referred to as "Covered Wagons" because of the cover over the hose bed and back step. Objects were sometimes thrown at FDNY members during those days so it gave the members a little bit more protection. In fact, as far as I can remember, it was the FDNY that first came out with the covered wagons. Before that, the entire rear hosebed had been open and exposed.

2) FDNYs 4th Battalion on the lower East Side. It was one of the busiest battalions for runs and workers during those very busy years. Companies like Eng 28/Lad 11, Eng 17/Lad 18 etc were always some of the busiest in the city. In fact, I believe there were several years when Engine 28 was the busiest, or very close to it. The streets in that area closely resembled those of the arson plagued area of the South Bronx. Those War Years Firefighters in the Fourth Battalion were holding their own to the best of them.
  I think it is mentioned somewhere on this thread where a firefighter from Ladder Co 18 was killed as he missed stepping into the bucket from a job. As he fell, the scums in the neighborhood found it somewhat entertaining. That's an example of the way things were back then in that neighborhood.

  3) The poster is a recruitment ad from back in 1977. I believe it was the first test to be given after the layoffs of some FDNY members and the closing of some 50 companies. It was also a year of propbably the heaviest fire activity for the FDNY, including the huge Brooklyn Boro call in Bushwick and two weeks later The Blackout. I don't remember what firehouse that came from. That poster was in a glass case in front of the firehouse, and after the filing was over, I asked one of the guys if I could have it. I still have that poster today, some 35 plus years later.
  The firefighters pictured in that poster are; Firefighter Frank Martinez of Ladder Co 27, and Firefighter Clyde Williams of Ladder Co 25.
  The year was 1977. The 44 cal serial killer, Son of Sam, had been out there randomly shooting people. The FDNY had closed 50 companies. The Blackout of July 13th (?), 1977 was probadly the busiest 24 hour period for serious building fires in the entire history of the FDNY. And blocks of burned out buildings lined many streets throughout the city. I remember hearing it said that "The Bronx could not support itself and the services needed". I had never heard anything like that before.

  These three routine photos of the FDNY back in those days are reminders of how things were. A major US city that often seemed like a third world country only a few miles from the very richest in the world. Three simple photos that probadly explain how a city was held together by a group of city firefighters that never gave up, despite the chaos surrounding them.     
 
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Yes "fdny10-75k" Thank You for posting those history photos...keep them coming...Willy D. the frame of the hosebed covers originally were in a rounded top shape & called "Conestoga Covers" like the covered wagons... later models had a more squared off frame which gave more room underneath.... they were made of a material called "Hypalon" which was waterproof & to some extent Fire resistant (molotov cocktails) it was better than canvass.... i had a turnout coat w/the outer shell made out of it for awhile....you are right about the Lower East Side it was certainly busy back then. .....nice photo of one of the rounded frame bed covers......    http://www.ebay.com/itm/FDNY-4x-6-Photo-Mack-CF-Eng-235-/271228136914?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f2674edd2 
 
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nfd2004 and 68jk09, no problem. Here's some more War Years shots I found:





Engine 82's "Rapid Water" rig:



A Satellite Unit and a Tower Ladder operating at a taxpayer fire under an "EL" line.



A Brooklyn job:



Had a shot of a job on the Lower East Side from the '70's w/Engine 17 operating, but unfortunately I can't seem to get it to upload.
 

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Recruiting poster changes.  Look at the image of firefighters in the recruiting poster of the War Year 70s:
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These guys are either mean or pissed-off - or both.

Today, FDNY wants happy people for a fun FDNY job:
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