Newark, NJ 7/5/23 Ship Fire

Skyler Fire said:
RUN DOWN BOX 5574


1st Alarm - 21:25
E27 E14 E5 E16
L4 L8 L5(FAST)
R1 DC1
BC5 BC1(ISO)

Signal 11 (Working Fire) - 21:39
SOPS

Special Called Additional 9 for Mayday -
E10 E29
L11
BC1
R2 Rope Truck
HQ2

2nd Alarm (Fill Out) - 23:17
E6 E18
L7 L6
BC3

USAR Task Force
Elizabeth R1 E7 TL3 BC1
Jersey City R2 BC4
North Hudson R2 SU BC2
Bayonne R1 BC
Hoboken R2 BC
Paterson R1 BC
Hackensack R2 BC
Morristown R2
Middlesex R2
PAPD Rescue


Relocations Coverage

1st Battalion
Engine 7
Engine 11
Engine 26
Ladder 12

3rd Battalion
Engine 13
Engine 15
Montclair L1 to L7

4th Battalion
Engine 28 to E10
Irvington E44 to E10
Union L1 to L5
Ladder 10

5th Battalion
Jersey City E? L? BC3 to E27
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Skyler Fire said:
Put C11A C3A on scene
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Skyler Fire said:
Put Marine Tac on the box


Marine 7 Acting Marine 1
Marine 2 inservice
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Who are you referring to? You are the one who posted the rundown and didn't list any FDNY unit in it.
 
GeoC said:
While in Red Hook (L131) I worked two ship fires and can state they were both remembered in my memories as two of the scariest jobs in my time. It’s like fighting a sub cellar fire with no ventilation. Conditions are nothing to compare to structural fires, we trained anytime a ship could be used when in port but it couldn’t prepare you for the actual situation.
My prayers for those who fought the good fight.
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Out of all the posts about this incident your put the most perspective on it, no ventilation, truly mind blowing when you think for a minute.
 
Geo hit nail on the head, it’s not structural firefighting. FDNY has done ship fire training. When I did it, was a new lieutenant. Lesson was forget what we were used to. Air management (time) and unit cohesion was stressed. Needed to be cognizant of being able to get to a safe area still on air, even if objective was not achieved. God bless all involved
 
So being US Navy Sailor, Ventilation is really big enemy on a ship board fire. If no lives onboard and verified by ship muster than shut down ventilation, and take time to drown the fire out. Ship board firefighting is one of the most dangerous fires out because the fire does not only travel up and outside sideways but also travels down on a metal vessel.

Machinist Mate Petty Officer 1st Class US Navy
 
abc7ny.com

Port Newark fire raises questions about fire suppression training at shipping ports

There are no federal requirements for fire suppression training at shipping ports, and now, that's become a major focus of the investigation following the deaths of two Newark firefighters.
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That’s a fact most port cities ignore. Your dealing with international crews where language, equipment and leadership are confused with the natural aggressive firefighting tendencies we are accustomed too.
As I said earlier we use to go on board a ship at Todd Shipyard or Moore McCormick Terminals whenever possible but that was only for terminology and orientation.
Training and control are best accomplished with pre planning SOP for ship fires. Sadly tragedy is needed to see the need.
 
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