Pump Testing New Super Pumper

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raybrag said:
Pictures from Facebook, courtesy US Fire Pump & Ray Penatzer.

"Completed testing on this #FDNY #Super #Pumper. This super pumper has a 5500 gpm midship mounted #USFirePump #High #Velocity #Pump. The most stringent pump testing is required by the Department and this HVP pump did not fail to deliver the expected performance.
Kudos to our friends at #ferrarafire for manufacturing this Super Pumper."

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Of course, no unit number; no crew cab
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Calling this the Super Pumper is a disgrace and disrespectful to this beauty!Screenshot_20201028-184606.png
 
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Joe Pinto reports in the May/June issue of Fire Apparatus Journal that the Ferrara industrial pumper (the new "Super Pumper") will be assigned as Foam 260 (!!??!!), quartered with Engine 260 in Long Island City. The 2015 Freightliner/Seagrave currently serving as Foam 260 will move to Engine 238 as Foam 238 in Greenpoint, to replace the old 1992 Mack/Saulsbury Foam Tender. Guess the powers that be have decided the ultimate question, "What in the world are we gonna do with this piece of s#*t".
 
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raybrag said:
Joe Pinto reports in the May/June issue of Fire Apparatus Journal that the Ferrara industrial pumper (the new "Super Pumper") will be assigned as Foam 260 (!!??!!), quartered with Engine 260 in Long Island City. The 2015 Freightliner/Seagrave currently serving as Foam 260 will move to Engine 238 as Foam 238 in Greenpoint, to replace the old 1992 Mack/Saulsbury Foam Tender. Guess the powers that be have decided the ultimate question, "What in the world are we gonna do with this piece of s#*t".
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That’s what I heard but question is will E260 man it? And who will be the back ups.
 
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The department has known for a while they needed to replace the foam tender. One of the ideas was for all 6 of the new sattelites to be industrial pumpers. to give a more robust foam capability. That was around the time they were introducing the AFFF gold as the replacement foam job wide. But that idea fell by the wayside. There are numerous back up units in the area for special unit transport and this unit will only respond on special calls.
 
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I don't understand why the sentiment seems to be that the Ferrara industrial pumper is useless. As mentioned above, I believe that the industial pumper could be used to replace the Satellites in each borough. This would make the Satellites less limited. They could continue to provide large diameter hose, high volume foam capacity, and with 5,000 gpm provide big water more readily at large convwentional fires. Take for example that 5th alarm in Staten Island recently at 60 Davidson Ave. If Satellite 5 had been an industrial pumper it could have drafted from the Arthur Kill and helped overcome the initial water supply problem. An alternative role would have been to provide alot more foam more quickly instead of having the individual foam units arrive piecemeal from their respective locations. Just my two cents.
 
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From what I read it will be replacing the Foam Tender and will be placed with Engine 260
 
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jlab said:
I don't understand why the sentiment seems to be that the Ferrara industrial pumper is useless. As mentioned above, I believe that the industial pumper could be used to replace the Satellites in each borough. This would make the Satellites less limited. They could continue to provide large diameter hose, high volume foam capacity, and with 5,000 gpm provide big water more readily at large convwentional fires. Take for example that 5th alarm in Staten Island recently at 60 Davidson Ave. If Satellite 5 had been an industrial pumper it could have drafted from the Arthur Kill and helped overcome the initial water supply problem. An alternative role would have been to provide alot more foam more quickly instead of having the individual foam units arrive piecemeal from their respective locations. Just my two cents.
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To quote a line from a famous play (and movie) "I wish rainwater was beer!".

Just look at the history of high pressure/high volume pumping systems in the FDNY - fireboats, high pressure districts (lower Manhattan, downtown Brooklyn, Coney Island), the Superpumper. All are great concepts, but expensive to build, expensive to maintain, and seldom used. In your mind, think back about all the times this philosophy made a difference in the outcome. The most cost effective tactic may be "Get everyone out of the way and let'er burn." (see BLEVE).
It's like buying a cool white tuxedo. Unless you are Xavier Cugat leading the band at the Waldorf-Astoria, you will wear it only once.
 
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pefroymson said:
From a article I got

FDNY’s Ferrara Pumper: Moving Water and Foam - Fire Apparatus: Fire trucks, fire engines, emergency vehicles, and firefighting equipment

If you ever served on an apparatus design committee, you know what a daunting task it can be at times.
www.fireapparatusmagazine.com www.fireapparatusmagazine.com
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Well it certainly sounds like they had a reason they specified it, it will be interesting to see if they follow through with their original intent for its use and where they end up stationing it!
 
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^^^^^^ The Chief who felt the need for it & pushed to get it on order has since Retired before it's delivery & his successor & others do not seem to share his vision of the need for it in the same vein as he did therefore it sits around....i am sure "something" will be done with it at some point.
 
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If they're not gonna use it they should sell it to Cal Fire. I'm sure they could find a use for it during wildfire season.
 
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jtsjc1 said:
If they're not gonna use it they should sell it to Cal Fire. I'm sure they could find a use for it during wildfire season.
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That's certainly a place it would not be very usable. Water supply in California is very limited and it would be difficult to find a large enough water supply to supply this beast, especially near a wildfire.
 
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Remember, I'm a buff, not on the job, so consider my opinion with that in mind. That said,
1. The new (or relatively so) foam tankers each have 1500 gallon tanks; or taken together have twice the capacity of the foam tender; and are 12 years newer.
2. Why in the world would you purchase an exceptionally high volume pumper with a 1,000 gallon tank to replace a 3,000 gallon tanker with no pump?
Seems to me that the idea of buying the "super" pumper to replace the foam tender is, to put it mildly, and without meaning to insult anyone, dumber than dirt.
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Just shows to go ya how much I know. :rolleyes: :mad::ROFLMAO:(n)
 
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As I said before, they just need to sell this rig to a CIMA member. I'll bet most of their equipment is designed by Williams Fire and Hazard. Just like this unit.
 
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