1/20/20 Staten Island 5th Alarm Box 4333

UnitWithTheUrgent

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Address: 829 Rensselaer Ave. off Vernon Ave.

Fire throughout a 2 story 20x30 PD (attached to a row of a 8 similar townhouses) with extension to the exposures on the 4 side (827, 825, 823, 821 & 819 Rensselaer Ave.)

Box loaded up due to calls & reports of people trapped - 14:59

"E-164 with an urgent - 10-75 the box" - 15:01

TL-76 FAST

B-23: Heavy fire in an attached house - Extra E&T (E-162 & L-82) - 15:05

SI transmitting the All Hands.

B-23: Transmit a 2nd Alarm - 15:07

Fallback step 2 has been implemented.

B-23: Heavy fire on all floors - 2 L/S/O - DWH - 15:09

B-23: Transmit a 3rd Alarm - Fire is traveling down this row of PD's - 15:12

Staging: Sheldon Ave. at Marcy Ave.

D-8: Transmit a 4th Alarm - 15:20

D-8: Transmit a 5th Alarm - Fire in 6 PD's - 7 L/S/O - 15:30

D-8: Special call 4 additional trucks (L-78, 168, 114 act. 86, 156 act. 82) - 15:45

D-8: Special call another RAC - SI to D-8: RAC-1 was already assigned - 15:55

RM: Special call an additional RAC unit (RAC-2) - 16:01

FC: Special call 2 additional BC's (B-38 act. 21 & B-37 act. 33) - 16:03

FC: We're utilizing TL-77 as the FAST truck - TL-76 will now be used for fire operations - 16:25

FC: Per C-13, 8 L/S/O - MBFKD - DWH - 16:30

FC: Per C-4, PWH - 16:44

FC: Per C-3 (COD John Sudnik), Under Control - 17:07

Duration: 2 hours & 13 min.

Maybe:
E-164, 168, 167, 151, 162 s/c
L-84, 87, 76F, 82 s/c
B-23, 22
R-5
SQ-8
D-8
E-159 w/ Sat. 5
RAC-5

2nd Alarm Maybe:
E-165, 166, 163
L-85
B-21, 42R, 40S
FC, RB, SB, TSU-2, RM

3rd Alarm Maybe:
E-158, 161, 156, 152
L-86, 81 (act. 84)
B-48, 32 (act. 22) Staging, 58 Air Recon
MSU
E-279 Communications 
RAC-1

4th Alarm:
E-157 (act. SQ-8), 160, 155, 241
L-79, 80
B-57
Car-22c, 32

5th Alarm:
E-201 (act. 167), 243, 282, 228
L-77, 149 (act. 87), 78 s/c, 168, 114 (act. 86), 156 (act. 82) s/c
B-1, 38 (act. 21) s/c, 37 (act. 33) s/c
CTU
RAC-2 s/c
Car-4, 2h, 3, 13, 12c, 1, 12, 24c

Some Relocations:
E-202 to E-165
E-242 to E-164
E-240 to E-160
E-201 to E-167
E-153 to E-151
E-226 to E-156
E-247 to E-157
E-254 to E-167
E-276 to E-162
E-245 to E-158
E-330 to E-163
E-210 to E-161
E-7 to E-247
E-5 to E-153
E-205 to E-276
E-211 to E-241
E-157 to SQ-8
E-24 to SQ-8
L-156 to L-82
L-148 to L-82
L-8 to L-83
L-81 to L-84
L-83 to L-84
L-11 to L-80
L-176 to L-148
TL-161 to TL-76
TL-149 to TL-87
TL-114 to TL-86
TL-159 to TL-77
TL-18 to TL-79
H&L-147 to TL-87
SQ-252 to R-5
B-33 to B-23
B-32 to B-22 
B-38 to B-21
B-2 to B-48
B-51? to B-21
B-45 to B-2

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UnitWithTheUrgent said:
Address: 925 Rensselaer Ave.

Heavy fire 1st floor of a PD

Reports of people trapped

E-164,168,167,151,162s/c
L-84,87,76(Fast),82s/c
B-23,22
R-5
Sq-8
D-8
Rac-5
E-159 w/ Sat. 5

All Hands on arrival extra 1&1


B-23 2nd Alarm @ 15:08

2nd Alarm
E-165,166,163
L-85
B-40(Safety)
B-42(RUL)
B-21(FF)
RB,SB
FC
Tac-2
RM-1

*Fall Back Step 2*

B-23 3rd Alarm @ 15:13

* Staging Sinclair & Marcy*

3rd Alarm
E-158,161,156,152,279(Comm)
L-86,81 Act. 84
B-48(FF)
B-32 Act. 22(Staging)
B-58(Air Recon)
Rac-1
Mask

Fire traveling thru 8 attached PDs

D-8 Transmit a 4th Alarm @ 15:21

4th Alarm
E-160,155,241,157 Act. Sq8
L-79,80
B-57
CTU
Car-22C (Fleet Mechanic Supervisor Timothy Ramos)
Car-32 (Medical Officer Bronx & Manhattan)

D-8 transmit a 5th Alarm fire in 6 PDs 7 L/S/O @ 15:32

5th Alarm
E-243,282,228,201 Act. 167
L-78,149 Act. 87,77(Fast)
L-168s/c,114 Act. 86s/c,156 Act. 82s/c
B-1,38 Act. 21s/c,37 Act. 33s/c
Rac-2s/c
Car-4 (Chief Of Operations Thomas Richardson)
Car-3 (Chief of Department John Sudnik)
Car-2H (Press Secretary FF James Long)
Car 13 (Chief Of Fire Prevention AC Joseph Jardin)
Car 12C (Extra Safety Chief)
Car 16E (Deputy Director Fire Alarm Dispatch Ann O'Brien)
Car 12 (Chief Of Safety & Inspectional Services Command DC Michael Meyers)
Car 1 (Fire Commissioner Daniel A. Nigro)



D-8 s/c 4 Trucks above the 5th Alarm @ 15:50

RM s/c an additional RAC @ 16:06

FC s/c 2 additional BCs @ 16:07

FC per Car 13 MBFKD 8 L/S/O, DWH @ 16:31

FC per Car 4 PWH @ 16:53

FC COD Car 3 taking command and reports fire Under Control

Under Control Time 17:07

Duration: 2 Hours & 17 Minutes

Watchline
E-26
L-15

Relocations:
Squad 252 Act. Rescue 5
Engine 157 Act. Squad 8
Engine 24 Act. Squad 8
Engine 153 Act. Engine 151
Engine 5 Act. Engine 153
Engine 226 Act. Engine 156
Engine 247 Act. Engine 157
Engine 245 Act. Engine 158
Engine 240 Act. Engine 160
Engine 210 Act. Engine 161
Engine 276 Act. Engine 162
Engine 242 Act. Engine 164
Engine 202 Act. Engine 165
Engine 201 Act. Engine 167
Engine 254 Act. Engine 167
Engine 211 Act. Engine 241
Engine 7 Act. Engine 247
Engine 280 Act. Engine 279
Ladder 16 Act. Ladder 11
Ladder 161 Act. Ladder 76
Ladder 159 Act. Ladder 77
Ladder 11 Act. Ladder 80
Ladder 156 Act. Ladder 82
Ladder 148 Act. Ladder 82
Ladder 8 Act. Ladder 83
Ladder 81 Act. Ladder 84
Ladder 83 Act. Ladder 84
Ladder 114 Act. Ladder 86
Ladder 149 Act. Ladder 87
Ladder 147 Act. Ladder 87
Ladder 146 Act. Ladder 131
Ladder 105 Act. Ladder 149
Battalion 38 Act. Battalion 21
Battalion 51 Act. Battalion 21
Battalion 32 Act. Battalion 22
Battalion 33 Act. Battalion 23
Battalion 45 Act. Battalion 2
Battalion 2 Act. Battalion 48
Battalion 7 Act. Battalion 40
Battalion 37 Act. Battalion 33
 

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VARIOUS NEWS REPORTS.....    https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=FIVE+ALARM+FIRE+IN+STATEN+ISLAND&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
 

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Excellent rundown guys. Two multiple alarms for the 23 Battalion in 24 hours - 2nd alarm and 5th alarm.

Pics from SILIVE:














 

jlab

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On the scene observations: Satellite 5 stretched the  6 inch supply line from Engine 159 which terminated in the manifold. However, I don't believe I saw more than one line coming off the manifold. Two aerial ladders and one tower ladders were also present in the front of the building but no master streams were used. All of the fire-fighting as far as I could tell was interior.

The fire building itself was a bit curious as there did not seem to be any fire stops in the attic which would have prevented the fire from spreading to all of the units. I have heard of this problem in commercial buildings but not residential buildings.  [ Correct me if I am wrong ]
 

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These buildings have a ?mansard style??roof detail. Between the 1st and 2nd floors the ?eaves or soffit? of this mansard style detail are about 2 feet wide. From inside the building if you?re standing on the 2nd floor the bottom of the eave is slightly below floor level. The eave slopes up to a point at the 8 foot ceiling height of the 2nd floor. The eave does not appear to have any fire stopping in it. The heavy fire at rear of house from fully involved decks on multiple houses entered the eave and with the wind condition and the 2x4 construction ran the entire length of the building. The heavy fire in this eave then extended up into attic spaces bypassing the fire stops between buildings.
The large void created by the mansard style soffit created an ideal flue to rapidly extend the fire down the row.
 

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Noticed 87?s rig  too. Gotta be one of the oldest spares in the pool.

Referring to the construction of these buildings, it is so common on SI and the south shore in particular. Has been the root of many devastating multiple alarms on that side of the island in recent years.
 

Len90

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Very interesting about how that fire was able to spread so quickly. Any understanding on the cause of this... the news reports all put an "explosion" of some sort. I will say it's been a long time since I saw that many units from Manhattan relocated or seeing the action on SI. Not to mention Bat 51 from Queens coming in to cover the 21.

11 of the 12 SI trucks (83 relocated did not respond) and 16 of the 17 SI Engines saw this call (153 relocated with no response to the box).

Mike M said:
87 with a spare from 2000!!!
Assume there is a very small spare pool for them given that the 2005/6 trucks would be the "newest" in that spare pool and there weren't that many of those.
 

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^^^^ SHIT construction to start with exacerbated by heavy wind conditions seem to be the main issue at this Multiple....so many of these bldgs of matchbox construction have been built all around the Country .....profit before  Fire safety.
 

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Anything built in '80s on SI are an issue.  Don't know if lack of DOB inspections, loopholes in codes or what, but not fire stopped well.  Many townhouses built then did not have firewall continue to roof line.  Mansard roof like this covers 8 buildings with no firebreak between building.  Intro to wood truss, which fortunately, did not stick around on SI pass this period.  Was a building boom, many townhouse developments on South Shore and a few on North Shore during this period.
Most new construction on SI, side and rear walls need to be sheetrock, not plywood, due to Fire Code, unless lot line is certain distance away.  When many of these were built, plywood was used on rear also (don't know if these particular ones were like that)

Add to that even in newer construction, back decks on each building, vinyl siding and gas lines or LBG tanks for bar-b ques on the back deck. 

After late 80's firestop back to roof line or above, usually double sheetrock, which will hold.
 

scoobyd

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There is a video from the neighbor in the rear.  Looks like it started outside.  The rear of the original fire bldg is fully involved.  Any you don't even hear any sirens yet.
 

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scoobyd said:
There is a video from the neighbor in the rear.  Looks like it started outside.  The rear of the original fire bldg is fully involved.  Any you don't even hear any sirens yet.
Saw that too. A lot of fire early on. 164/84 are not quartered far away either, shows how fast this fire spread.

Cause of fire from Fire Marshal: DRYER VENT. smoke alarms not present in fire building.
 
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