1/24/26 Bronx 10-77/4th Alarm/10-60/10-66 Box 4399

entropychaser said:
Looks like a gas fed fire. The electrical power is off. Do they have sectional gas cut-off valves in the building in addition to a main valve going into the building at ground level? Can FDNY shut off any of those valves?
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It starts in the street with a curb valve. It can be used to turn the whole building off. In the basement there should be a valve at the head of the service, before the meters which could be turned off. There could be one meter supplying cooking gas, and another meter supplying the boiler and water heater (if they are gas units). They could also be oil fired.

I don’t think NYCHA residents pay a separate gas bill for cooking so I’m going with one master meter for cooking. Off that meter there should be separate risers with shut off valves for different wings of the building. There should also be shut off valves behind the stoves.

In a controlled situation you would chose to isolate only the affected wing, or the affected apartment (behind the stove) so the whole building doesn’t lose cooking gas. In this type of situation (explosion w/fire), I’d go for the master meters in the basement and shut the whole building off. With an explosion, all lines would have to be tested anyway. When Con Ed arrives, they would locate and shut off the curb valve outside and lock and tag the meter(s).

I do believe some FDNY units carry curb valve keys. With a building this size, finding the valve in the dark is almost impossible. Con Ed would know exactly where the valve is. Keep in mind, not all buildings are the same.

I do believe the FDNY would have no problem securing the gas from the inside.

Hope this helps.
Retired Brooklyn Union Gas (Nat Grid) employee here. The Bronx was NOT our territory.
 
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Rich M said:
It starts in the street with a curb valve. It can be used to turn the whole building off. In the basement there should be a valve at the head of the service, before the meters which could be turned off. There could be one meter supplying cooking gas, and another meter supplying the boiler and water heater (if they are gas units). They could also be oil fired.

I don’t think NYCHA residents pay a separate gas bill for cooking so I’m going with one master meter for cooking. Off that meter there should be separate risers with shut off valves for different wings of the building. There should also be shut off valves behind the stoves.

In a controlled situation you would chose to isolate only the affected wing, or the affected apartment (behind the stove) so the whole building doesn’t lose cooking gas. In this type of situation, I’d go for the master meters in the basement and shut the whole building off. With an explosion, all lines would have to be tested anyway. When Con Ed arrives, they would shut off the curb valve outside.

I do believe some FDNY units carry curb valve keys. With a building this size, finding the valve in the dark is almost impossible. Con Ed would know exactly where the valve is. Keep in mind, not all buildings are the same.

I do believe the FDNY would have no problem securing the gas from the inside.

Hope this helps.
Retired Brooklyn Union Gas (Nat Grid) employee here. The Bronx was NOT our territory.
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Thank you. It is always good to hear the view of an expert.
 
Rich M said:
It starts in the street with a curb valve. It can be used to turn the whole building off. In the basement there should be a valve at the head of the service, before the meters which could be turned off. There could be one meter supplying cooking gas, and another meter supplying the boiler and water heater (if they are gas units). They could also be oil fired.

I don’t think NYCHA residents pay a separate gas bill for cooking so I’m going with one master meter for cooking. Off that meter there should be separate risers with shut off valves for different wings of the building. There should also be shut off valves behind the stoves.

In a controlled situation you would chose to isolate only the affected wing, or the affected apartment (behind the stove) so the whole building doesn’t lose cooking gas. In this type of situation, I’d go for the master meters in the basement and shut the whole building off. With an explosion, all lines would have to be tested anyway. When Con Ed arrives, they would shut off the curb valve outside.

I do believe some FDNY units carry curb valve keys. With a building this size, finding the valve in the dark is almost impossible. Con Ed would know exactly where the valve is. Keep in mind, not all buildings are the same.

I do believe the FDNY would have no problem securing the gas from the inside.

Hope this helps.
Retired Brooklyn Union Gas (Nat Grid) employee here. The Bronx was NOT our territory.
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Used to see them shutting off the gas in the street at large commercial building fires
 
Was Ladder 39 on another run when this came in?
As per the run down, they were called to the scene after the 4th alarm was transmitted.
 
NikFDNY said:
EMS Information - MCI 77/60 - Box 4399

0037 CW1 - Attention all citywide units, high-rise residential in the Bronx, 3485 Bivona Street, Box 4399

0037 CW1/HT2 - Can you handle this high-rise 77?

0038 Car 15P - You can send me that job.

0039 HT2 - On my screen is a MVA, LIE in Queens..this is an explosion?

0039 CW1 - All units be advised, this 77 in the Bronx, someone changed..an error, we are going to change it.

0041 HT2 - Do we have a rescue unit or XR unit going to this? They are reporting multiple trapped with patients.

0043 HT1 - You can put me on the high-rise in the Bronx.

0043 CW1/HT2 - You can 87, HT1 is going to handle it.

0043 HT2 - I'm going to continue in, gonna be a 10-60 at this point.

0043 XR3 - Put us on that high-rise.

0044 LS2 - Do you want to assign me to the other Second Alarm?

0044 MV7 - Same message.

0044 XR4 - Can you show us 63?

0044 X10 - You want us for the 10-60 as an additional rescue resource?

0046 C15 - 84, best access is on Bivonia and Boston Road, either direction on Boston, building exploded, multiple floors involved.

0047 XR3 - Cleared from the 2nd alarm, show us 63 to the high-rise.

0050 ? - Fire is saying all elevators are not function.

0050 C20 - I was released by the Medical Branch Director, do you want to put me on that MCI? Mark me 63.

0056 ? Over TAC - Joey Come here, they have a mayday.

0056 C15 - Be advised, got a missing member.

0057 ? - 15G is going with 1 Red Tag to Hospital 25..Civilian.

0057 HT2 - On my Job, we have a mayday being transmitted, make sure we have the additional complement.

0100 Car 15P - Assuming Medical Branch, fire operations are ongoing, mayday ?, continuing to look for the missing member, Potential is high, total patient count of (1) Orange Tag transported to H25 by 15G, Command Post will be in the lobby of the fire building.

0102 XR1 - Show us responding with Rescue 1 to the 77 in the Bronx.

0102 ? Over TAC - 15G dont leave, I have ALS coming.

0104 Car 15P - Do you have another ALS?

0104 CW1/15P - Your ALS units on scene are 16S, 15V, 15W, Z20

0104 Car 15P - Advise the first unit to meet me infront of the building.

0105 Car 15P - XR3 and HT2 are going up to the 15th? floor to operate.

0105 C82 - Show me responding to the 4 Alarm.

0109 CW1 - Attention all citywide units, be advised, fire is now transmitting the 4th alarm on Bivonia street.

0110 Car 15P - HT1 and XR4 will be operating on the 14th Floor.

0111 Car 15P - That orange tag is now a Red Tag, being transported by 15G and 15W, Also mayday has been secured.

0112 15G - Having trouble with the ?, move me and 15W to H25, Burn Category.

0129 Car 15L - Can you send me the 5th alarm in the Bronx?

0130 CW1/15P - Landline FDOC when you get a chance.

0135 Car 15P - Move staging to Secor Av & Boston Road

0135 XR5 - Show us relocating to the quarters of Rescue 4 with Rescue 5.

0146 Car 15P - Fire Operations are ongoing, potential is high to public safety and civilians, total patient count is (4), (1) Red Tag Civilians, (2) orange Tag Civilians, (1) Orange Tag MOS Firefighter. All of the orange tags are being evaluated.

0200 18H - Show us 82 to H25 Category A.

0221 Car 15P - Fire Operations are ongoing, potential is high, total patient count is (5), (1) Red Tag Civilian, (2) Orange Tag Civilians, (1) Orange Tag Firefighter, and (1) Green Tag Civilian Pediatric, put XR3 and XR4 out for rehab.

0234 ? - Potential still high, patient count remains at (5), staging remains the same, will hold with the present assignment.

0237 Car 15P - Additional Yellow Tag Civilian, total patient count will be at (6)

0245 XR3 - Show us 98 off the job, going back to 18, Rehab.

0259 ? - Potential remains high, total patient count is now (7)

0307 XR5 - Show us responding back to (Rescue 5?s) Quarters

0313 C20 - Requesting (1) ALS and (2) BLS

0331 ? - Total Patient Count is ?, (1) Orange Tag Firefighter, (1) Red Tag Civilian, (3) orange Tag Civilian, (1) Yellow Tag Civilian, (2) Green Tag Civilians, (1) Black Tag Civilian, Potential remains high, established a forward triage on the 14th floor with C14 and 03O

0423 ? - Potential is Moderate to PSP, Low to Civilians, total patient count is (10)

0459 Car 15P - Fire Operations are deescalating, patient count is now (15), Potential is Low.

0512 HT1 - Released by the Medical Branch Director.

0513 Car 15P - With a final, Patient count is (15), (1) orange Tag Firefighter, (1) Black Tag Civilian, (1) Red Tag Civilian, (4) Orange Tag Civilians, (3) Yellow Tag Civilians and (5) Green Tag Civilians, scene is now secure.

ALS - 16S 15V 15W Z20 18X 20Y Z27 027 020 20X 15S
BLS - 15A 19L 15F 15C 03J 15G 03O 18H 18D 14J 18F 03E 15P 27E
RESC - XR1 XR3 XR4 X10
HT - HT1 HT2 HT3
SUPR - C20 C15 C18 C82 C14 C27
CAR - 5C 54 533 15L 15P 5F
SPEC - LS2 MV7 MR7
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EMS Rundown and transcript should be fully done now, final patient count of 15, 1 Black Tag, 1 Red Tag, 5 Orange Tags, 3 Yellow Tags and 5 Green Tags

As usual cant promise 100% accuracy on the EMS Rundowns
 
Also in the past a serious Gas Explosion during renovations / upgrading of Gas Service in a NYCHA project on Bergen & Troy down the block from the old R*2 FH .....late '80s / early ' 90s.
 
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