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How's in the hell does this happen?!?!
3/22/26 Queens 2nd Alarm Crash Box 0037
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Having worked the ramp at Kennedy and looked at least on the surface at several recent incidents, theres a few different ways it could happen. I dont want to speculate, until some more facts come out. And theres more near misses and incident on the ground that make the rounds.
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Starting to read into it, it sure sounds like there was one controller in the tower running the whole show at the time of the incident. Not saying thats the case until the facts are in, but if its true he was running ground ops, working a smoke in cabin emergency and approach at the same time. Thats a hell of a workload for one person.
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Does anyone know when these were taken? Were these initial photos, or after the tail was raised? Other shots show the tail on the ground.
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Wouldn't FAA be part of the mix as far as responsibility? Generally, evening departures supposedly cease after 2330 hours. The only activity, I'm told is the occasional incoming flight after midnight.. That being the case, why would FAA allow only ONE ATC in the tower before the midnight change in airport activity?
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Who shut down the engines?
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CADS-related question. The “cars” show up on a ticket?
I beleive so. There was questions about similar manning in Washington when the helo hit the commuter plane last year.
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Anyone who has never been on a large commercial airfield at night has no idea what it’s like to drive out there in a sea of blue taxiway lights etc. Aircraft are in constant motion backing away from terminals, taxiing and landing/ taking off. You definitely have to have your head on a swivel and be hyper situationally aware anytime you are on the airfield but particularly at night. I know because I was SIDA badged to operate on the airfield. The ARFF vehicles move across taxiways and runways only at the permission and direction of the air traffic controller (ATC). If there is an emergency on the airfield the ARFF rigs cannot just bolt out of the firehouse and respond. They must receive permission to cross each and every taxiway and runway they cross. Often this means coming to a complete stop midway through the response and having to wait while an aircraft passes and the ATC grants the go ahead to continue forward. With all the training and familiarity an ARFF operator with years of experience on a particular airfield can still get caught between taxiways etc without realizing it. These are called incursions. Incursions are mandatory to be reported to the FAA and there are hefty fines. Accidental incursions are common by all types of airpirt personnel. HOWEVER: in the case of last night’s incursion onto runway 4 resulting in a collision at LGA. Preliminary radio traffic that is now playing on line indicates that the ARFF crew followed procedures and were granted ATC permission to cross a path in which the subject aircraft was completing a landing. This appears to be the mistake of the ATC controller. A deadly and tragic mistake. Prayers and condolences to the families of the two deceased pilots. Wishing all the injured a complete and speedy recovery.
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Unfortunately they have major staffing issues. Guy before could’ve timed out
He’s never coming back to duty. He can be terminated if they determine he was grossly negligent, but controllers are protected from civil lawsuits, everything is directed at the FAA.
If im not mistaken, each airport has staffing based on its load. I think Washington for example has only 1 from a certain time on based on low activity. I honestly dont know what the levels are for LGA during what times. But yeah there is a problem staffing training and retaining atc.
Even if the controller is cleared, psychologically id doubt very much they'd be able to come back and work functionally.
Airport ops vehicles and push back tugs also have to have atc approval before doing certain things. (Kennedy Steve on yt loved to pick on Deltas tugs) What a lot of people dont realize is that airports are really dangerous in general but looks routine.Until it isn't. Even just working airside has its own dangers. I was there a night at JFK when a ramp worker was killed by a plane mate. He was trying to warn the driver about an obstruction behind them and was caught between the 2. Yt is filled with aviation channels that show incursions, incidents and close calls, that for the most part never makes it to mainstream.