4/24/23 Bronx 2nd Alarm Box 4047

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Address: 274 Balcom Ave. off Lawton Ave.

Fire on the first & 2nd floors of a 3 story 20x40 PD

CIDS: 3 story PD 20x40 flat roof class 4, similar attached - Proceed with caution, extreme clutter conation throughout

Phone Alarm - Reporting fire in a PD - 12:36

E-72: 10-75 - Fire on the first floor - Heavy clutter condition - 12:40

TL-41 FAST

B-20: Due to the CIDS, Extra E&T (E-66 & TL-54) - 12:42

BXD transmitting the All Hands.

B-20: Transmit the 2nd Alarm - 12:45

B-26 RUL, B-19 Safety, E-291 w/ Sat. 4

B-20: 2 L/S, 1 L/O - Heavy fire on the 2nd floor - 12:47

B-20: We have (1) 10-45 no code - 12:48

B-20: 3 L/S, 2 L/O - We're trying to remove the 10-45 via the exposure - 12:55

B-20: Requesting 2 additional trucks (L-48 & L-38) - 12:58

B-20: The 10-45 is a code 2 - 12:59

B-20: 4 L/S/O - 2 in the original fire building & 1 in each exposure - 13:02

FC: Special call 2 additional trucks (TL-44 act .50 & L-27) - 13:21

FC: We're downgrading the 10-45 to a 10-45 code 3 - 13:22

FC: Per C-10, MBFKD - Extended operation due to heavy clutter conditions - Special call 2 engines for relief (E-80 act. 96 & E-88) PWH - 13:36

FC: Per D-6, 3 L/S/O - Searches are still delayed due to clutter - Special call a truck to relieve the FAST truck (L-56 act. 47) - 13:59

FC: Special call 2 additional trucks (TL-51 & L-154 act.?) - 14:00

FC: Special call 2 additional BC's (B-17 & B-14) - 14:12

FC: Special call 2 additional trucks (TL-135 act. 50 & TL-46 act. 47) - 14:22

FC: Special call 2 additional engines for relief (E-312 & E-297) - 14:29

FC: Special call 2 additional trucks (L-125 & TL-22) - 14:51

D-6: Special call a another FAST truck (TL-58) - 15:17

D-6: 2 L/S/O - Searches are delayed due to heavy heavy clutter - Send us 2 additional trucks (unidentified) - 15:37

D-6: Primaries are complete & negative - Under Control - Special call 1 additional engine (E-42) - 16:04

Duration: 3 Hours & 30 Min.

D-6: Special call an additional BC for relief (B-13) - 16:10

Maybe:
E-72, 89, 96, 90, 66 s/c
L-50, 47, 41F, 54 s/c
B-20, 18
R-3
SQ-61
D-6
RAC-3

*E-64 on an EMS run

2nd Alarm Maybe:
E-97, 45, 94
L-61, 48 s/c, 38 s/c, 44 (act. 50) s/c, 27 s/c
B-3, 26R, 19S
FC, RB, SB, TSU-1, CTU, RM
E-291 w/ Sat. 4
Car-10

Special called after the PWH:
E-80 (act. 96), 88, 312, 297, 42
L-56F (act. 47), 51, 154, 135 (act. 50), 46 (act. 47), 125, 22, 58F, ??, ??
B-17, 14, 13
RAC-4

Relocations:
E-80 to E-96
E-258 to E-96
E-75 to E-90
E-50 to E-64
E-83 to E-89
E-79 to E-97
E-67 to E-45
L-56 to L-47
L-46 to L-47
L-103 to L-47
L-44 to L-50
L-135 to L-50
L-25 to L-27
L-124 to L-51
L-131 to L-22
B-52 to B-18
B-45 to B-3
B-35 to B-19

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E45 on the 2nd
BN26 RUL, BN19 SO

BN20 reports 2 L/S, 1 in operation, fire on the second floor. 1 is a street, 2 is a similar attached 3 is a rear yard, 4 is a similar attached.
 
STAjoey1 said:
103 Truck>>>> L.47 :sneaky:

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/480...32837ec665b680!2m2!1d-73.8509518!2d40.8324222

25 Min. @ 1 AM; ... 3PM A Different Story ;)
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You are so correct. There have been several relocates over the last few years that have raised our eyebrows and gotten a “really !?!?” Makes you wonder who/how is/are the predetermined CAD relocates being calculated But pulling 103 out of one of the top 3 response areas for runs and fires citywide, with no units covering from the south due to geography (water) and the second due trucks to some of 103’s first due boxes coming from a distance, and then at certain times of the day putting them on the road for 45 minutes to an hour after they have been directed to relocate 30 minutes after the job in the Bronx began makes absolutely no sense. Particularly when this was only a second alarm ( in reality enough trucks were special called to this job to probably equal the number of trucks for a fourth).
 
Capttomo said:
You are so correct. There have been several relocates over the last few years that have raised our eyebrows and gotten a “really !?!?” Makes you wonder who/how is/are the predetermined CAD relocates being calculated But pulling 103 out of one of the top 3 response areas for runs and fires citywide, with no units covering from the south due to geography (water) and the second due trucks to some of 103’s first due boxes coming from a distance, and then at certain times of the day putting them on the road for 45 minutes to an hour after they have been directed to relocate 30 minutes after the job in the Bronx began makes absolutely no sense. Particularly when this was only a second alarm ( in reality enough trucks were special called to this job to probably equal the number of trucks for a fourth).
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I am curious how relocations happen and who takes part in the decision making progress? There are the dispatchers and the supervisors for each borough. I believe there is a chief dispatcher on at all times who can get a bird’s eye view of coverage citywide. And of course there is the suggestions from the CAD. 🤔
 
relocations are normally made by the boro’s decision dispatcher, and several things are taken into account. Such as,
- who’s currently unavailable (medicals, education day, training or old mechanical)
-Who’s already moved during the tour
-routes to get to the relocation
-boro coverage as a whole
-what boxes are out and do any have potential to be work.
In Brooklyn we normally try to not “bounce” relocations, because now you’re creating an RN until the bounced company back fills and you have 2 companies out of their normal area

At the time of 103 going to X, they were more than 10 trucks over the 2-2, so upwards of an 8th alarm worth of trucks.
131,119,146 were all unavailable. 124 was going to the bronx. 135 was out on the queens side


Not sure who was in service engine wise but if an engine in a double house is out, we try to not move the truck so the house is not emptied.

There had been previous relocations on the day tour with the plaque dedication (257/170 are must fills) plus the 41 batt 7-5 on linden
And sending an engine to the rockaways.

The thought process was 103 could take Penn to the Jackie and circumvent the van wyck, which has construction going on on the S/B side which is now down to 1 lane due to construction.

Just some thoughts on the hows and whys. I wasn’t working in Brooklyn yesterday.
 
Capttomo said:
You are so correct. There have been several relocates over the last few years that have raised our eyebrows and gotten a “really !?!?” Makes you wonder who/how is/are the predetermined CAD relocates being calculated But pulling 103 out of one of the top 3 response areas for runs and fires citywide, with no units covering from the south due to geography (water) and the second due trucks to some of 103’s first due boxes coming from a distance, and then at certain times of the day putting them on the road for 45 minutes to an hour after they have been directed to relocate 30 minutes after the job in the Bronx began makes absolutely no sense. Particularly when this was only a second alarm ( in reality enough trucks were special called to this job to probably equal the number of trucks for a fourth).
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No one is above the law. It does sound like 103 got on the wrong side of someone.
 
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