7/26/21 Brooklyn 4th Alarm Box 3534

Len90

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Great rundown. Long run for E 324/ Sat. 4. Could Sat. 5 from SI be closer? Perhaps they don't leave the island.
Doubt you’ll really ever see them pull stuff from SI. Anytime there’s an all hands or greater SI needs relocaters from BK or further…
 

Anthony Russo

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*Coney Island Section*

Fire Location: 2811 Mermaid Ave

Cross Streets: West 28th St & West 29th St

B-43 gave the 10-75 @06:00

Fire in a 2 story commercial 40 X 80 Class 5

CIDS:
Open Webb Steal Truss that support floor and roof
After School Program ages 10-18 14:30-18:30
Hydrant in front of Fire Building

E-318,245,253,246,254s/c
L-166,161,169(Fast),153s/c
B-43,42
R-5
Sq-1
D-8
Rac-5

B-43 trucks continuing to open up searching for the fire @06:04

B-43 still haven't located the fire 2 L/S, trucks still opening up @06:09

Exposures:
1. Street
2. Attached commercial
3. Setback
4. Attached commercial

D-8 All Hands extra Engine & Truck @06:11

B-43 still haven’t found the fire. Might be in the rear set back we have smoke pushing from it @06:12

L-172 Acting 161 we are 10-8 in 161’s area if you need us @06:13

E-309 we are 10-8 is E-245's area @ 06:14

E-242 Acting E-253 we are 10-8 in their area @06:14

D-8 Box 3534 we have fire in the rear set back transmit a 2nd Alarm @ 06:18

2nd Alarm
E-243,330,276
E-284 w/ Sat. 3
L-168,156s/c,149s/c
B-33(FF)
B-40(RUL)
B-48(Safety)
RB,SB
FC
Tac-2
RM-1
CTU
Car-13A(Chief of Fire Prevention)

E-282 Acting 318 we are 10-8 in 318's area @ 06:25

*West 30 & Mermaid for staging if needed*

Car-13A responding to your 2nd Alarm @ 06:26

L-114 we are 10-8 in 153's area @ 06:32

D-8 3 L/S/O we have fire in the rear set back, can we get an extra Truck above the 2nd Alarm @06:33

D-8 s/c an additional truck @ 06:35

E-224 10-8 in E-246's area @ 06:36

L-?? Act. 168 10-8 in L-168's area @ 06:42

Car-13A we are 10-84 the 2nd Alarm @06:43

E-234 Act. 276 please show us 10-84 in their area @ 06:44

D-8 4 L/S/O we have water in the rear setback & on the roof. DWH @06:46

E-279 10-8 in E-284's area @ 06:49

B-31 is 10-8 in B-42's area @ 06:50

B-57 Act. B-40 we are 10-8 in their area @ 06:51

D-8 can you transmit a 3rd Alarm Please @ 06:57

*Staging West 30 & Mermaid Ave*

3rd Alarm
E-321,250,247,241,7(Comm)
L-159s/c,172 Act. 161s/c
L-147s/c,114 Act. 153s/c,101 Act. 156s/c
L-105(Vent Support)s/c
B-41(FF)
B-58(Staging)
B-39(Air Recon)
Rac-1
Mask
Car-12C(Safety Chief)
Car-22B(Fleet Mechanic Supervisor)
Car-23D(Press Duty)
Car-8(Staten Island Borough Command)
Car-4(Chief of Operations)
Car-11A(Chief of Rescue Operations)

Car-12C responding to your 3rd Alarm @07:09

Car-22 responding to your 3rd Alarm @ 07:13

FC per Car-13A Primary searches 1st & 2nd floor complete & negative. Searches still under way in the rear setback. Special call 2 more truck. DWH @07:14

FC you can 10-2 the Air Recon @ 07:22

E-217 10-8 in E-282's area @07:29

B-2 Act. B-48 on your frequency relocating to the 48 @ 07:29

Car-23D 10-84 your 3rd Alarm @ 07:31

FC Special Call 2 more trucks @07:32

Car-8 10-84 your 3rd Alarm @07:33

FC L-159 is the new fast truck they relieved L-169. Can you s/c 1 more truck please @ 07:36

FC per Car-8 special call a Vent Truck @07:42

Car-4 10-84 3rd Alarm Box 3534 @07:48

FC per Car-8 6 L/S/O AVFKD we do have a heavy clutter condition do to the stock of the store merchandise. DWH @07:52

FC per Car-8 transmit a full 4th Alarm @ 07:59

4th Alarm
E-281,217 Act. 282,255,323
L-113 Act. 161,107 Act. 153
B-38
Sq-252s/c
Car-24(Director of Technical Services)
Car-12(Chief of Safety & Inspectional Services Command)
Car-15A(Assistant Chief of Training)

L-107 10-8 in L-153's area @ 07:59

BKD to 107 tickets coming over take in the 4th Alarm @ 07:59

L-12 Act. L-105 108 in 105's area @ 08:00

L-103 Act. L-156 10-8 in L-156's area @ 08:00

FC special call an additional Squad Company to this Box @08:04

Car-24 Responding to your 4th @08:05

Car-12 Responding to your 4th @08:05

L-133 Act. L-103 10-8 in their area @ 08:08

L-20 Act. L-147 10-8 in their area @08:19

Car-24 10-84 your 4th Alarm @08:24

FC per Car-4 Trucks continuing to open up still hitting pockets of fire. DWH @08:30

E-5 Act. 281 on your frequency relocating to E-281 @ 08:31

Car-15A 10-84 your 4th Alarm @08:32

E-152 is 10-8 in E-?? area @08:34

L-15 10-8 in L-153's area @08:36

Car-12 10-84 the 4th Alarm @ 08:45

B-52 Act. 57 in their area @ 08:46

L-1 Act. L-161 10-8 in their area @08:54

Sq-252 is 10-8 from the 4th will let you know when back in Bushwick @08:58

FC per Car-4 AVFKD trucks continue to open up and over haul. PWH @ 08:59

Car-13A is 10-8 from your 4th Alarm @09:04

E-26 Act. 250 is on your frequency relocating to E-250 @09:05

Car-15A is 10-8 from your 4th Alarm @09:05

Car-4 is 10-8 from your 4th Alarm @09:18

FC per Car-8 All searches complete & negative. PWH @09:25

Car-12 10-8 from your 4th Alarm @ 09:35

FC per Car-8 Transmit a 10-41 Code 1 Undetermined Cause @09:38

FC per Car-8 Under Control @09:42

Duration 3 Hours & 55 Minutes

FC per Car-8 Special Call 1 Engine, 1 Ladder, & 1 Battalion for relief @09:42

Relief @09:45
E-310,239s/c
L-118,102s/c,109s/c
B-32

FC is in the process of taking up D-8 will be your radio contact @09;51

R-5 10-8 switching back to SI @09:52

FC s/c 1 additional truck @09:53

D-8 s/c an additional Engine & Truck @ 10:18

E-26 & L-20 both companies heading home to Manhattan @10:52

D-8 we are 10-8 B-32 will be the point of contact. E-239 will remain on scene for the watch line. All other units are taking up. Send a relief Engine at 12:00 to relieve them @11:19

E-5 10-8 back in Manhattan @11:23

B-32 s/c 2 additional trucks @11:43

Special Called Trucks @11:43
L-120 & L-122

Relocations:
Engine 152 Act. Engine ??
Engine 211 Act. Engine ??
Engine 5 Act. Engine 281
Engine 26 Act. Engine 250
Engine 279 Act. Engine 284
Engine 234 Act. Engine 276
Engine 224 Act. Engine 246
Engine 217 Act. Engine 282
Engine 282 Act. Engine 318
Engine 309 Act. Engine 245
Engine 242 Act. Engine 253
Ladder 12 Act. Ladder 105
Ladder 15 Act. Ladder 153
Ladder 20 Act. Ladder 147
Ladder 1 Act. Ladder 161
Ladder 172 Act. Ladder 161
Ladder 113 Act. Ladder 161
Ladder 107 Act. Ladder 153
Ladder 101 Act. Ladder 156
Ladder 114 Act. Ladder 153

Ladder ?? Act. Ladder 168
Ladder 133 Act. Ladder 103
Battalion 31 Act. Battalion 42
Battalion 57 Act. Battalion 40
Battalion 2 Act. Battalion 48
Battalion 52 Act. Battalion 57
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Good run down. Thanks 73!
 

mack

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3 block run for 318/166. This was a busy box during War Years - a lot of working fires, MFAs, trash, ADVs, muggings.

1940s 2811 Mermaid Avenue was a barber shop.

2811 Mermaid 1940s.jpg

1980s - Store vacant -apartments above store occupied - building to left gone.

2811 Mermaid Ave 1980s..jpg


This is what Mermaid Avenue looked like in 1973:
Mermaid Avenue 1973.jpg



First due companies E318/L166 prior turn out to nearby box:

 

FDNYSTATENISLAND

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Awesome historical photos, thanks Mack. Very cool to see the change in Coney Island. One thing that seems to have remained over the years is the Sea Gate area and all their PDs. Also, notice the increase in NYCHA complex and buildings between 1951 and 1996 during the Robert Moses era. Seems that smaller structures like PDs were knocked down where those complexs stand today. CI also known for its abundance of high-rises and even duplex apartments - necessary info on the CIDS for companies like 318/166 as it’s their first due.

Since the last photo from 2012 more new-construction has been built there including a new two-tower high-rise MD on the ocean at West 36 street called Ocean Drive. There was a job there like 2 weeks ago on the balcony.
 

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Old Engine 244 firehouse on W 15th Street - disbanded 1968 just in time for the War Years and CI fires. This was an old BFD firehouse (E 44 BFD)

244.jpg

E 244 fh.jpg

E 244 ap.jpg


Old quarters for E 245, E 326, L 161, B 43 - old volunteer FH to left was original quarters of E 245 - current W 8th Street firehouse built on site in 1971 (E 245 relocated to E 318, E 326 was disbanded, L 161 relocated to empty fire house of disbanded Engine 244, B 43 relocated to E 246 while current firehouse was built 1968-1971.

246 326 161 43.jpg

E-245-1936.jpg
CI used to have 4 engines, 1 H&L, 1 battalion chief.
 
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REDDEVIL_59

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Fantastic set of period photos. I lived across from the 245/326/161/43rd in the Luna Park Houses and was thrilled when the fireman ran to catch up to the engines and jump on board the moving trucks like acrobatic subway strap hangers. Also the view from behind the articulated L.161 as it swung east or west at the top of West 8th. and Surf Ave. and then straightened itself.
E.326 lasted till the 1968 demo and I saw Mayor Lindsay at the opening of the current 60thPD/245/161 about 1971. E.244 did not last past this time frame (1971), I believe.

Do you have any photos of the April 28, 1963---- 8-Alarmer, that you can post? [ W.19th-W.21 from the Boards to both sides of Surf Ave.] Thanks.
 

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The CIDS indicated Steel Trusses supporting the floors and the roof. It is an advanced fire, thus the multiple alarms. Why are the members operating on the roof. You can’t/should not cut the roof. That could trigger a collapse. Don’t think this is a good idea...
 

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Probably mentioned before but E 248 had to swap their 1959 Mack for E 244's American LaFrance warhorse. The powers that were decided that E 244 needed a covered cab rig due to the neighborhood. I rode that ALF and we were happy when E 244 was disbanded and we got the Mack back.
 

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The CIDS indicated Steel Trusses supporting the floors and the roof. It is an advanced fire, thus the multiple alarms. Why are the members operating on the roof. You can’t/should not cut the roof. That could trigger a collapse. Don’t think this is a good idea...
Maybe the truss didn’t extend to the area of the setback where the fire was located.
Also not sure if area was cut or not.

Didnt seem to be advanced - just stubborn. To find and to apply water to.
 

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Was going to mention that too, difficult to find fire. Division 8 asked for the extra engine and truck when BK dispatch notified them the incident duration was 20 minutes and the fire was still being looked for. A lot of stock in a hard to reach area probably added to this. Nice positioning by L166 in the rear parking lot with the stick up to the setback roof while E318 took the front.
 

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Old Engine 244 firehouse on W 15th Street - disbanded 1968 just in time for the War Years and CI fires. This was an old BFD firehouse (E 44 BFD)

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Old quarters for E 245, E 326, L 161, B 43 - old volunteer FH to left was original quarters of E 245 - current W 8th Street firehouse built on site in 1971 (E 245 relocated to E 318, E 326 was disbanded, L 161 relocated to empty fire house of disbanded Engine 244, B 43 relocated to E 246 while current firehouse was built 1968-1971.

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CI used to have 4 engines, 1 H&L, 1 battalion chief.
Gr8 old time pics
 

t123ken

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Old Engine 244 firehouse on W 15th Street - disbanded 1968 just in time for the War Years and CI fires. This was an old BFD firehouse (E 44 BFD)

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Old quarters for E 245, E 326, L 161, B 43 - old volunteer FH to left was original quarters of E 245 - current W 8th Street firehouse built on site in 1971 (E 245 relocated to E 318, E 326 was disbanded, L 161 relocated to empty fire house of disbanded Engine 244, B 43 relocated to E 246 while current firehouse was built 1968-1971.

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CI used to have 4 engines, 1 H&L, 1 battalion chief.
What were the four engines and one ladder?
 

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Fantastic set of period photos. I lived across from the 245/326/161/43rd in the Luna Park Houses and was thrilled when the fireman ran to catch up to the engines and jump on board the moving trucks like acrobatic subway strap hangers. Also the view from behind the articulated L.161 as it swung east or west at the top of West 8th. and Surf Ave. and then straightened itself.
E.326 lasted till the 1968 demo and I saw Mayor Lindsay at the opening of the current 60thPD/245/161 about 1971. E.244 did not last past this time frame (1971), I believe.

Do you have any photos of the April 28, 1963---- 8-Alarmer, that you can post? [ W.19th-W.21 from the Boards to both sides of Surf Ave.] Thanks.
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That 8 Alarm fire destroyed Ravenhall pool, pictured above. I was 12 years old at the time and my father, who was retired from the job, took me there to buff it that night. The next day I rode down there on my bike and saw the total destruction.
 

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Correction: I referred to E 244's old rig as an American La France; it was a Ward La France, I believe
 
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