Brush Fire Units

[tbendick]

4x4 with door cab
CAFS system
Front bumper remote monitor
500 gallon water
20 gallon foam tank with Class A Foam
Foam pickup tube for Class B Foams from5 gal cans

 

[kidfrmqns]

4x4 with door cab
CAFS system
Front bumper remote monitor
500 gallon water
20 gallon foam tank with Class A Foam
Foam pickup tube for Class B Foams from5 gal cans

Any idea what chassis these will be built on?

 

[Bulldog]

4x4 with door cab
CAFS system
Front bumper remote monitor
500 gallon water
20 gallon foam tank with Class A Foam
Foam pickup tube for Class B Foams from5 gal cans

Any idea what chassis these will be built on?

Any idea how many

 

[tbendick]

Bid states 7 units, but I wonder if they just use higher numbers and order less.  There was a few units that had qty as 3 and the city has only ever purchased on at a time.

Also add on option for high water.

GVWR 29,000lbs min
4x4, 4 door conventional crew cab
wheel base 182" Aprox
Width 95"
Height no more then 9'4"
Length 315"Max
Clearance 9"Min
3 person rear seat


Body with 96"
Length 125"
4 compartments each side
Stokes basket storage
2 compartments on the top, one each side

 

[raybrag]

Those specs pretty much eliminate something like a Ford F550 . . . the max GVWR of an F550 is 18,000.  So I'd guess they'll be on something like an International Durastar 4400 chassis or something similar.

In other words, similar to BFU 3 (http://fdnytrucks.com/files/html/statenisland/e156.htm)

rather than BFU 4 (the Ford, not the Amertek) (http://fdnytrucks.com/files/html/statenisland/e154.htm)

 

[Bulldog]

Those specs pretty much eliminate something like a Ford F550 . . . the max GVWR of an F550 is 18,000.  So I'd guess they'll be on something like an International Durastar 4400 chassis or something similar.

That's very true and if you go up to the F-650, four-wheel-drive and crew cabs are not available.

The specifications are very close to what is considered a Type 3 wildland rig.  Here's a picture of one I just found, it's a Pierce but many companies manufacture them.http://www.piercemfg.com/en/experience/NewDeliveries/City-of-Boulder-Pumper-(1).aspx

 

[raybrag]

Here's Ferrara's take:

or (heaven forbid) a type II wildland:

Both photos from Ferrara.com

Interestingly, the Ferrara Type II wildland comes closer to meeting the width spec (95") than does either the International or the Freightliner chassis.

 

[Bulldog]

Does the Type II have or is available with four-wheel-drive?  The one in the picture certainly doesn't look like it.

 

[raybrag]

Ferrara's is available with 4WD.

http://www.ferrarafire.com/Apparatus/Wildland/TypeII/TypeII.html

 

[Bulldog]

Ferrara's is available with 4WD.

http://www.ferrarafire.com/Apparatus/Wildland/TypeII/TypeII.html

Ray, you're beginning to sound like a Ferrera salesman!
While I don't think the Type II engine will work because of length and wheelbase the Type 3 from them that you pictured earlier looks like a great rig.  To me it doesn't really matter what company provides the rigs as long as they work well and are dependable!

 

[raybrag]

Me . . . a Ferrara salesman?  Well . . . KME builds them, too, you know:

Pic from kovatch.com

 

[Bulldog]

That's a good-looking Type II !  That's one thing about this type of apparatus, they all look about the same because of the specifications.  Seems like they would fit the needs for FDNY quite well and because of the standard national specifications they are a well proven design.  Of course, because they are someone else's design FDNY probably won't like them!

 

[nfd2004]

That's a good-looking Type II !  That's one thing about this type of apparatus, they all look about the same because of the specifications.  Seems like they would fit the needs for FDNY quite well and because of the standard national specifications they are a well proven design.  Of course, because they are someone else's design FDNY probably won't like them!

  The FDNY will probadly get what is best for their operation. There's about 7,000 or 8,000 firefighters and officers, plus the huge group of individuals that work the shops. My guess is that among them, somebody must know what is the best type Brush Fire Unit for City. And if I was the Chief of any Dept, in the market for a brush truck (or any other apparatus), whatever rig they decided to get, I'd be kind of looking in that same direction based on "their decision".

 

[Bulldog]

That's a good-looking Type II !  That's one thing about this type of apparatus, they all look about the same because of the specifications.  Seems like they would fit the needs for FDNY quite well and because of the standard national specifications they are a well proven design.  Of course, because they are someone else's design FDNY probably won't like them!

  The FDNY will probadly get what is best for their operation. There's about 7,000 or 8,000 firefighters and officers, plus the huge group of individuals that work the shops. My guess is that among them, somebody must know what is the best type Brush Fire Unit for City. And if I was the Chief of any Dept, in the market for a brush truck (or any other apparatus), whatever rig they decided to get, I'd be kind of looking in that same direction based on "their decision".

While FDNY is certainly a leader in structural firefighting it's far from being a leader in fighting brushfires!  To them that is a minor diversion from their real work.  For many departments in the Western United States brush and forest firefighting is their primary purpose and they've spent decades developing equipment for the type of work.  This is one case where FDNY may be better off following someone else's lead.

 

[69 METS]

That's a good-looking Type II !  That's one thing about this type of apparatus, they all look about the same because of the specifications.  Seems like they would fit the needs for FDNY quite well and because of the standard national specifications they are a well proven design.  Of course, because they are someone else's design FDNY probably won't like them!

  The FDNY will probadly get what is best for their operation. There's about 7,000 or 8,000 firefighters and officers, plus the huge group of individuals that work the shops. My guess is that among them, somebody must know what is the best type Brush Fire Unit for City. And if I was the Chief of any Dept, in the market for a brush truck (or any other apparatus), whatever rig they decided to get, I'd be kind of looking in that same direction based on "their decision".

I totally agree with you Bill. The F.D.N.Y. does an excellent job of R & D and writes spec's for apparatus and equipment based upon their real world experience. The F.D.N.Y. has dealt with brush fires since the inception of the department and will continue to do so successfully as it does with every type of incident they respond to.

 

[mack]

Agree with you 69Mets.  If you work on SI, and several other areas of the city, brush fires are not just a minor diversion from real work.  They are real work.  Many brush fires are multiple alarms with many exposures.  I bet FDNY fights more brush fires than any other city fire department in the world.

 

[raybrag]

The folks in LA might argue with you about that, Mack, even though LA City doesn't fight nearly as many brush fires as LA County does.

 

[Bulldog]

Agree with you 69Mets.  If you work on SI, and several other areas of the city, brush fires are not just A minor diversion from real work.  They are real work.  Many brush fires are multiple alarms with many exposures.  I bet FDNY fights more brush fires than any other city fire department in the world.

The number of brush fires fought by FDNY is miniscule compared to what many Western departments fight.  As Ray mentioned LA County is really expert at it and even has multiple helicopters whose primary mission is this type of firefighting.  The entire state of California, Colorado and many other southwestern states have huge task forces of specialized brush/forest firefighting apparatus.  In addition the United States for service have the biggest contingent of equipment for this type of firefighting in the nation.  The brush fires fought by FDNY are tiny compared to what these of the department see, most of them are put out in a couple of hours whereas many of the Western ones rage for weeks!

FDNY may be the best for department in the world for many things but brush firefighting isn't one of them!

 

[69 METS]

Agree with you 69Mets.  If you work on SI, and several other areas of the city, brush fires are not just A minor diversion from real work.  They are real work.  Many brush fires are multiple alarms with many exposures.  I bet FDNY fights more brush fires than any other city fire department in the world.

The number of brush fires fought by FDNY is miniscule compared to what many Western departments fight.  As Ray mentioned LA County is really expert at it and even has multiple helicopters whose primary mission is this type of firefighting.  The entire state of California, Colorado and many other southwestern states have huge task forces of specialized brush/forest firefighting apparatus.  In addition the United States for service have the biggest contingent of equipment for this type of firefighting in the nation.  The brush fires fought by FDNY are tiny compared to what these of the department see, most of them are put out in a couple of hours whereas many of the Western ones rage for weeks!

FDNY may be the best for department in the world for many things but brush firefighting isn't one of them!

The F.D.N.Y. is not competing with other fire departments for the coveted title of 'Most or Largest Brush Fires responded to'. The point made in this discussion by several members is that the F.D.N.Y. is excellent at all that it does, including it's ability to handle brush fires both large and small. In addition, the F.D.N.Y. does a great job of R&D of both apparatus and equipment and knows what is needed to deal with the types of brush fire issues it's likely to have to contend with. I don't believe that any of us were insinuating that the Brothers on the west coast aren't good at doing their job.

 

[johnd248]

Well said, Garrett.