Brush Fire Units

[NYBravest82]

I feel like brush fighting out here as a whole will see a huge shift soon. The city is focusing a lot more on parks and green spaces, Fresh Kills Park, Governors Island(A whole 'nother animal I know), and hte like, so maybe we'll see an uptake in brush firefighting? Either way, listening to the folks out west might not be a bad idea.

 

[mack]

The folks in LA might argue with you about that, Mack, even though LA City doesn't fight nearly as many brush fires as LA County does.

Raybrag - The comparison was city fire departments, not large county departments (like LA County).

I am sure LA City fights a lot of brush fires.  But there are few city departments which have the size and expanse of wooded lands ( e.g. - Staten Island), parks, wetlands which you find within NYC - plus it also has the exposure problem of densely populated surrounding developments.  The number of FDNY 10-21s each year is most likely much greater than most departments' total fire responses. 

Departments which fight forest fires and large seasonal brush fires are good at what they do and may require different equipment than NYC.  FDNY should know what they need and are capable of purchasing appropriate apparatus. 

 

[grumpy grizzly]

Boston runs 2 units, BF48 and BF49. I will agree during normal times these are "quiet" houses, but from April on they and their first due pumper are just as busy as SI.

 

[116ff60]

Wondering what a high water rescue truck is?

 

[Bulldog]

Wondering what a high water rescue truck is?

In most areas it's a Deuce and a Half!

 

[BCR]

Wasn't Ferrara building a pair of high water rescues for fdny not to long ago I thought someone posted the build pics, at the time all that was built was some sort of 4x4 commerical chassis (I think it was a freightliner but not sure. Then there was a good size flatbed about 14 or 16 ft. There was also a gap between the cab and bed, looked like a spot for a full height compartment or maybe a stair case or something. It also mentioned something about the frame being sealed or something along those lines. The trucks were not done and I haven't seen an update on them in a while on here

 

[anesti]

Wasn't Ferrara building a pair of high water rescues for fdny not to long ago I thought someone posted the build pics, at the time all that was built was some sort of 4x4 commerical chassis (I think it was a freightliner but not sure. Then there was a good size flatbed about 14 or 16 ft. There was also a gap between the cab and bed, looked like a spot for a full height compartment or maybe a stair case or something. It also mentioned something about the frame being sealed or something along those lines. The trucks were not done and I haven't seen an update on them in a while on here

They are finished now at the Ferrara plant in jersey

 

[BCR]

Are there pictures of those ?

 

[raybrag]

From Ferrara's web site:

And the thread that discussed them:

http://nycfire.net/forums/index.php/topic,23645.0.html

 

[anesti]

the best i have from a friend of mine.

 

[a fan of]

HeyHo and a good morning to the States...let me say hello to this great forum and to you all guys, because this here is my very first post...i am a 37 year old male from Hamburg Germany who is in the job as a professional Firefighter and "Rettungsassistent", which is lightly comparable with a Paramedic, for 17 years now...please buddies, do not think now: "Oh no...not another alien who wants to tell us which vehicles in the world are the good ones"

quite the opposite to this, normally i am a very big fan of US steel in cars...because of that, i am using US Cars since i have the driving license, as a daily driver...at the moment it is for the winter a LT-1 powered 94er 9C1 Caprice, former Fortuna CA PD...for the summer months, a 88er 9C1 Caprice from New Jersey (Department is unknown)...and a 89er F350 Type-1 Wheeled Coach Ambulance, former USAF based in here Ramstein with the legendary IHC 7.3 IDI, which i use for getting my Motocross Bike, the racing gear, the tools and other stuff to the track...and before these, there was a long list of other great ones...you see, i am a little bit in love with your automobiles...maybe a little bit crazy...that much to me

i follow this forum since a few years as a guest...first of all, bacause i was very interested in getting more news about the RAM as an Ambulance in the NYC EMS...i know that German Engineering could be very good in a niche maybe for the US FD's...i think of German Ladder Truck Technology, in very narrow areas or where you have similar tactics of rescue people very fast with the help of the ladder basket as an elevator, for example...or let us take the Sprinter Story...a Type-2 or -3 Ambulance that could be a very good choice to a company, not even only from an economical site...and now we come to the reason i chooce this thread to enter the forum

what do you think of giving the MB Unimog a chance as a New Yorker Brush Truck...in the States you can see a few as Wildland Rigs...the Department of Kenneth Square PA has one in service, as a small Pumper...i do not know if they have this sweety still in service because on their website the TAC-24 is missing now...it is a great one i think, if you have the right tactical reasons

http://www.njfirepictures.com/Pennsylvania-Fire/CHESTER-COUNTY-FIRE-APPARATUS/17870430_DDDk5n/1963621391_zz6LxH6#!i=1963621391&k=zz6LxH6

a Mog is not a cheap choice, i know, but very bulletproofed...and getting a foot in to the FDNY, would letting MB to set up a good prizing, i could bet...i think the specifications of the FDNY could be beaten in every single way with the Unimog...the U5000 gives you a GVWR of 31000 lbs...or if you want more, then take the Zetros as the two axle version, which gives you more power and a GVWR of 35000 lbs...but this animal is not so much multi purpose like a Mog, in my eyes...nothing is like a "Universal-Motor-Ger?t"

a reason for the FDNY to take the Mog could be your rough winter season, where they could assist the others of the FDNY stucked in snow, for example...here in Hamburg we have several Unimogs as small Rescue Trucks...they are routinely equipped with a Schmidt Snow Plow during heavy snowing periods to assist the ambulances and others, driving in front of them in steep areas for plowing and towing...another reason for NYC could be the run during deep water...ours are working routinley in the harbor area the "Hamburg Fischmarkt", towing cars out of the floods...i have pics of that scenario and outfitting as a link below

http://files.bos-fahrzeuge.info/vehicles/photos/6/6/e/1/141660-large.jpg

http://files.bos-fahrzeuge.info/vehicles/photos/d/b/3/a/89980-large.jpg

i know the FDNY stands for tough jobs, like the Mogs too...this could be a very good combination

if you see Unimogs in fire service, there are mostly regular cabs but a short pic search in the web shows a few crew cabs

http://bor-consulting.weebly.com/uploads/6/9/7/3/6973148/959275_orig.jpg

http://fire-engine-photos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/32960.jpg

http://bosstruck.co.uk/html/items_detail1.cfm?id=442&catid=107&mid=0&subid=0&chk=1

so lastly i hope you excuse any failure in my English and give me a chance as a member a long distance away...for the future it would be cool to get some answers on asks that i possibly have...as a long distance away member in this forum and not much knowledge about the FDNY, i will definitely not commend so many post here, but i would be happy to give you sometimes a new view on things...i know that a lot of things in our working worlds are not comparable

stay safe and have a great day...best regards

 

[STAjo]

'a fan of '

Thanks for all the great Photo's & interesting discussion. Your English is just fine, by the way, better than a lot of what we see here from many of our American Members.
You bring a great vehicle into the discussion with the MB Moog idea. They look like Great Rigs, however, I think, [ just personally of course], a bit more than what FDNY is looking for in a 'Fleet' Brush Truck. But perhaps one would be a good idea for Staten Island, where they are occasionally faced with Large-Scale, prolonged Brushfire Jobs in Summer and Fall. And perhaps another one for the  Reserve Fleet, available for Heavy Storm Condition Operations.
You bring some interesting ideas 'to the table', and your presentation of, and sharing of, New Ideas for FDNY, is most Welcome.
Welcome Aboard, we hope to see more again soon, 'stajo'.

 

[a fan of]

'a fan of '

Thanks for all the great Photo's & interesting discussion. Your English is just fine, by the way, better than a lot of what we see here from many of our American Members.
You bring a great vehicle into the discussion with the MB Moog idea. They look like Great Rigs, however, I think, [ just personally of course], a bit more than what FDNY is looking for in a 'Fleet' Brush Truck. But perhaps one would be a good idea for Staten Island, where they are occasionally faced with Large-Scale, prolonged Brushfire Jobs in Summer and Fall. And perhaps another one for the  Reserve Fleet, available for Heavy Storm Condition Operations.
You bring some interesting ideas 'to the table', and your presentation of, and sharing of, New Ideas for FDNY, is most Welcome.
Welcome Aboard, we hope to see more again soon, 'stajo'.

'stajo', thank you very much brother...i am happy to hear this...good to know that i am welcome

this idea, setting the Mogs only there in service where they are actually in need, is the same that we had here too several years ago...in the 90s there was one at every single Station...back in these days we had different working concepts than today...in the past, every Station had 2 Pumper, a Ladder and the Unimog as a Rescue Truck...now we have several things of the Unimog extra on the Pumper...here we say to these rigs "they can everything a bit, but nothing correctly"

from the 17 Unimogs in the 90s there are only 3 left today...one for every single of our Boroughs here in Hamburg...they have the few things for the jobs onboard that are not so the daily routine, like a scaffolding for a pinned situation in combination with Trucks, where have to work with the tools overhead otherwise...here you have a link to the newest of ours...thre you have many pics of this beauty with open doors...a nice one, i think

http://bos-fahrzeuge.info/einsatzfahrzeuge/103058/Florian_Hamburg_364_HH-2518#/237482

it has nothing to do with the Brush Truck discussion, but maybe interesting for someone

i think one or two in service and one as a Reserve, would be a good idea...and affordable...but i think the prize would not be the problem at all...for many of the person in authority, it is the biggest problem going new ways, i think...this is a big problem here at my Fire Department...but maybe the FDNY likes more unconventionally ideas than the BF Hamburg today...at one time it was different...ahhh, good old days ;-)

have nice weekend...Cheers

 

[Bulldog]

It seems like a MB Moog would at least be a good replacement for the ATR since they are so well adapted for water and off-road (mud and sand) conditions.  Based on how expensive everything is that FDNY purchases I'm not sure these would be any more expensive.

 

[BCR]

I know Chicago still has a couple unimogs in there public works dept that they bring out for they heavy snow however they are getting old, I never thought of a unimogs around here mainly because there aren't many in the states, but now that you mention it, it is probaly the best choice for multi use being brush fires, heavy snow, flood waters, and mud as they are only compareable to a tractor in the mud. However and I may be wrong I thought I read somewhere a while back that unimogs was pulling new sales from the states because they didn't want to invest in making they engines comply with the new diesel standards due to them not having enough sales in the us to make it worth while. I do no the goverment was working on getting fire trucks exempt from these new diesel emissions mainly because the problems and threat they pose to firefighter safety. So I wonder if they could import a few this way

 

[tbendick]

Kovatch low bidder vs seagrave

 

[tbendick]

KME won the bid
AMT: $3,961,079.00 - TO: Kovatch

 

[Buzzman]

Hey does anyone know if they are going to be international cabs, or are they redesigning the whole thing. Also how many units are they building

 

[raybrag]

Bid states 7 units, but I wonder if they just use higher numbers and order less.  There was a few units that had qty as 3 and the city has only ever purchased on at a time.

Also add on option for high water.

GVWR 29,000lbs min
4x4, 4 door conventional crew cab
wheel base 182" Aprox
Width 95"
Height no more then 9'4"
Length 315"Max
Clearance 9"Min
3 person rear seat


Body with 96"
Length 125"
4 compartments each side
Stokes basket storage
2 compartments on the top, one each side

As I said before, GVW pretty much rules out F550 . . . their max GVW is 18K.  Probably International or Freightliner chassis.

 

[Buzzman]

Now since the brush trucks are going to get bigger. Are they going to be relocated becuase of them not fitting in with the normal engine company. Like engine 156 on Staten Island, the brush fire truck parks in the back of the bay behind the engine. Now with the new model coming i don't think it is going to fit. Any ideas anyone?