FDNY and NYC Firehouses and Fire Companies

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68jk09 said:
It was built for 283..SQ*4.. DV*15 & a Dept Ambulance ....i would think since it was being built at the height of the FDNY War Years maybe a plan for new or relocated LAD ?
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They could use one there for sure.
 
fdhistorian said:
Looking at the firehouse bays, it seems likely that tandem parking was necessary in many cases when companies were temporarily doubled up.
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Tandem parking was commonplace in two section companies and battalions.  Nuisance to rotate rig positions if first section returned and second section had not responded while first section was out.  Still see it places.
 
NY Daily News gallery of FDNY firehouses (FDNY 150 Anniversary):

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/fdny-turns-150-fire-stations-nyc-gallery-1.2199037?pmSlide=1.2199013
 
wfd444 said:
what about ladders 139 and 141?
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Ladder 139 was slated for Corona (289) in Queens (138 instead)
Ladder 141 was slated for Woodside (292) in Queens (never happened, but that's another story)
Ladder 145 was slated for Brownsville/E New York (290) in Brooklyn (103 moved instead) (and 290 was going to be 296, but that is yet another story)

These companies were scheduled, houses were labeled for them, but they were never activated.

Also:
Ladder 57 was slated for the Bronx (72) (never happened)
Ladder 60 was slated for the Bronx (45) (58 moved instead)

Most Ladder companies (up to 170) were organized by 1929.
32 years later when 171, then later 172-176 in Brooklyn and Queens were being organized, five skipped over numbers (133, 139, 141, 145, 160) were not used.

In 1984, Ladder 160, originally slated with 310 in 1927, went with 326.
In 1998, Ladder 133, originally slated with 206 in 1913, went with 275.

Oddly, when Ladder 174 was organized with 310 in 1966, the fact that Ladder 160 was originally slated for that house, and that the number was still open and assigned for that house, and that people remembered the house being labeled for 160, did not change anything.

Had open numbers been used first, Ladder 59 would be the highest numbered Ladder in Manhattan/Bronx and
Ladder 171 would be the highest numbered Ladder in Brooklyn/Queens, with today's Ladder 160 being 172 and today's Ladder 133 being 173, due to being organized last.

Engine 322 was the only Engine number skipped.  (100,200, and 300 were also never used, probably due to bell signal issues)

Ladder 171 is the only first section Ladder that was disbanded and has not been brought back.

 
As far as Ladder 58 moving into the new house attached to the old Engine 45 house, it was Ladder 27-2 before it became Ladder 58.  When they moved into the new quarters Battalion 18 moved "across the floor" in with da Truck to give da Engine more room.
 
Also notable, fireboat Engine Company numbers E85 and E232, were later re-used by Land Engine Companies, both housed in Tin Houses, and later disbanded in Bronx and Brooklyn.  Engines 43 and 66 were also fireboat numbers later used by Bronx land companies.
 
811 said:
Also notable, fireboat Engine Company numbers E85 and E232, were later re-used by Land Engine Companies, both housed in Tin Houses, and later disbanded in Bronx and Brooklyn.  Engines 43 and 66 were also fireboat numbers later used by Bronx land companies.
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Fireboats were numbered 43, 51, 57, 66, 77, 78, 85, 86, 87, 223, and 232. 
43, 66, 85 and 232 have subsequently been assigned to land engines.

Land Engine numbers have been reissued, always moving into another Boro.

Manhattan to Bronx - 38, 72, 89
Bronx to Manhattan - 47, 69
Brooklyn to Queens - 251, 326

Most Engine companies (up to 328) were organized by 1939.
32 years later when 329, then later 330-332 in Brooklyn and Queens were being organized, one skipped (322) and six disbanded numbers (213, 223, 232, 251, 326, 327) were available but not used.

In 1952, Engine 251 was reorganized from Brooklyn to Queens,
In 1966, Engine 232 was reorganized as a land engine,
In 1966, Engine 331 was reorganized in Queens, reusing a World's Fair temporary Engine number, the only land engine reorganized in the same Boro.
In 1970, Engine 332 was reorganized from Queens to Brooklyn, reusing a World's Fair temporary Engine number.
In 1984, Engine 326 was reorganized from Brooklyn to Queens

Had open numbers been used first, Engine 328 would be the highest numbered Engine in Brooklyn/Queens.

Administration planners in the 1950's did re-use 251, but the 1960's administrators did not reuse numbers until 232 (after 329, 330 and 331)

Engine 322 was the only Engine number skipped.  (100,200, and 300 were also never used, probably due to bell signal issues)

Engine 296 was slated for Brooklyn but was organized in Queens.
 
Has it been discussed anywhere or is there a list of companies that started out as second sections or TCU's and where renamed and relocated?  I'm talking more of the companies that where put together during the War Years, like 27-2 becoming 58 Truck or 88- becoming 72 Engine. 
Also, it can be noted that 85 Engine in da Bronx Tin House, I believe one of the last green pumpers, was disbanded and made into 53 Truck and put in City Island to put a truck back out there.
 
guitarman314 said:
Engines 326, 327 & 328 were former 2nd sections of  Engines 245, 246 & 264.
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Unit Redeployments (based on the first unit closing and the second unit opening on the same day)

Earlier
Engine  4      became Ladder 159
Engine  11      became Engine 91-2
Engine  12      became Squad 6
Engine  72      became Engine 41-2
Engine  30      became Squad 5
Engine  56      became Squad 8
Engine 72-2    became Ladder 146
Engine 80-2    became Engine 293
Engine  89      became Engine 91-2
Engine 213    became Squad 7
Engine 245-2  became Engine 326
Engine 246-2  became Engine 327
Engine 264-2  became Engine 328
Engine 283-2  slated for Engine 322 but remained 283-2 until disbanded
Engine 326    became Engine 251

Ladder 28-2    became Ladder 142
Ladder 35-2    became Ladder 143

War Years
Engine 41-2    became Engine 66
Engine 46-2    became Engine 88-2
Engine 50-2    became Ladder 61
Engine  85      became Ladder 53
Engine 88-2    became Engine 72
Engine 208    became Engine 167
Engine 212    became Utility 1
Engine 233-2  became Ladder 176
Engine 244    became Ladder 55
Engine 269    became Squad 1

Ladder 17-2  slated for Ladder 60  (didn't happen)
Ladder 27-2  became Ladder 58
TCU 712 & Squad 6        became Ladder 59

Squad 7          became Engine 232
Squad 8          became Ladder 174
Squad 9          became Engine 85

Battalion 12-2  became Battalion 25
Battalion 14-2  became Battalion 26
Battalion  3-2  became Battalion 27
Battalion 37-2  became Battalion 28
Battalion 39-2  became Battalion 29
Battalion 18-2  became Battalion 56
Battalion 44-2  became Battalion 58
 
Thank you for that list fdhistorian.  A lot history and stories there.  A crazy note, I'm not sure if it still is but 58 Truck administrative district for BI remained the same from when they were 27-2, which is their now third alarm response area.
 
FD Historian, with regard to E326 becoming E251, was that when 251 was quartered in Brooklyn by the Wallabout Market area or when it was planned to open in 1952 out in Glen Oaks, Queens?
 
EdMc said:
Thank you for that list fdhistorian.  A lot history and stories there.  A crazy note, I'm not sure if it still is but 58 Truck administrative district for BI remained the same from when they were 27-2, which is their now third alarm response area.
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Ladder 27-2 was organized at old 46 on 176th.
In 1972, they became Ladder 58.
Ladder 58 moved to 45 in 1974.

The administrative district may have missed the move.
 
memory master said:
FD Historian, with regard to E326 becoming E251, was that when 251 was quartered in Brooklyn by the Wallabout Market area or when it was planned to open in 1952 out in Glen Oaks, Queens?
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Engine 251 left Wallabout Market in 1941, moving to Clymer Street with 211.
In 1944, they moved with 211 to Hooper Street, then they were disbanded in 1946.
In 1952, Engine 326 in Brooklyn was disbanded and Engine 251 was reorganized on the same day in Queens.
 
fdhistorian said:
memory master said:
FD Historian, with regard to E326 becoming E251, was that when 251 was quartered in Brooklyn by the Wallabout Market area or when it was planned to open in 1952 out in Glen Oaks, Queens?
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Engine 251 left Wallabout Market in 1941, moving to Clymer Street with 211.
In 1944, they moved with 211 to Hooper Street, then they were disbanded in 1946.
In 1952, Engine 326 in Brooklyn was disbanded and Engine 251 was reorganized on the same day in Queens.
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Thank you for the clarification Sir.
 
I don't remember a batt. 34-2. Our company went from the 34 to the 57 when it was formed. I don't remember the 2nd section having a BI district. We used to do BI in the units that had fallen behind. It made for some long runs back to our response area.
 
EdMc said:
Thank you for that list fdhistorian.  A lot history and stories there.  A crazy note, I'm not sure if it still is but 58 Truck administrative district for BI remained the same from when they were 27-2, which is their now third alarm response area.
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There are Units that have never moved that do BI in their Second & Third Alarm response area.
 
lucky said:
I don't remember a batt. 34-2. Our company went from the 34 to the 57 when it was formed. I don't remember the 2nd section having a BI district. We used to do BI in the units that had fallen behind. It made for some long runs back to our response area.
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Seven Battalions (25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 56, 58) were formed in 1969 from 2nd sections (12-2, 14-2, 3-2, 37-2, 39-2, 18-2, 44-2) respectively.
BC55 was a split of BC14.
BC57 was a split of BC34.
 
fdhistorian....Thanks for the info .......I believe the 57 was just started from scratch not from another Second Section i never remember a 34-2.
 
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