FDNY and NYC Firehouses and Fire Companies

[68jk09]

Didn't TL105 used to be a single truck house in the area that is now the Barclay's Center? What year did they leave that firehouse and move in with E219? Was E219 a single engine prior to TL105 moving in their quarters?

Both were in single houses....219 farther east on Dean St & 105 aaround the corner on Pacific St....they moved into their present house in the early '70s.....there are pictures of both old houses somewhere on here.....105s old qtrs continued to be used as the SOC Decon laundry until the barclay center came along....219s qtrs were used by Sanitation as a district office for a few years then it was sold to a private buyer.

 

[johnd248]

I believe L 105's old quarters on Pacific Street also housed a salvage unit when they were operating.

 

[68jk09]

I believe L 105's old quarters on Pacific Street also housed a salvage unit when they were operating.

Yes i forgot about that .

 

[guitarman314]

  If you go back in time, most ladder companies had their own firehouses including many that had a solid wall between the engine & truck side and separate housewatch desks: 1(w/E7-1 & 7-2), 2*, 3, 4, 5*, 6, 7, 8*, 9*, 10, 11, 12, 13*, 14, 15, 17*, 18, 19, 20*, 21*, 22*, 23, 24, 25(w/E74), 26*, 27(next to E46), 28*, 30, 34(w/E84), 35*, 38(w/E88) 39, 40, 41(w/E90), 42(next to E73), 43(w/E91-1 & 91-2) 44(w/E92)), 45(w/E93-1 & 93-2), 46(w/E81), 47(next to E64), 49(on Nelson Ave. directly behind E68), 77(w/E153), 102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 112, 114, 116, 118(365 Jay St. w/R-2), 122(next to E220), 123, 124(w/E271), 125, 126, 127(w/E275, 298 & 299), 131(w/E279), 132(w/E280), 134(w/E264 & 328), 136(w/E287), 140(w/E291), 142(w/E285), 144(w/E295), 146(w/E229), 147(w/E281), 148(w/E282), 149(w/E284). [* means double company]   

 

[68jk09]

Also 258/115/BN*45 had a wall & 2 separate HWs (we used to interchange there w/115 on the same night ENG*60 would be in 258)....259 FC*2 /128 had 2 distinct HWs also (we interchanged there also at one time)....... .in the Big House in Jamaica when 275..298..299...127 & BN*50 were together they actually had 2 HWs one on either side of the undivided apparatus floor.....i remember as early as the '50s  91/43/DV*4 had a wall but you could pass from side to side thru the single HW.

 

[memory master]

How about 263/117 on Astoria Blvd. That had a dividing wall, didn't it?

 

[lucky]

I don't remember Ladders 136, 140, 142, AND 146 having walls in their quarters.

 

[68jk09]

How about 263/117 on Astoria Blvd. That had a dividing wall, didn't it?

...Up until around'94 you could go from side to side either thru the HW or thru a small door nearer to the kitchen.....dont know about today.

 

[68jk09]

I don't remember Ladders 136, 140, 142, AND 146 having walls in their quarters.

Not in the present qtrs which mostly are approaching the 100 yr mark.

 

[guitarman314]

How about 263/117 on Astoria Blvd. That had a dividing wall, didn't it?

Yes, I missed that one.

 

[guitarman314]

I don't remember Ladders 136, 140, 142, AND 146 having walls in their quarters.

Not in the present qtrs which mostly are approaching the 100 yr mark.

Some of those walls were removed but they date back to when those houses were built from 1909 to 1924. A member of L146 told me he can see where the wall used to be.

 

[mack]

Engine 219 - former firehouse - 735 Dean Street Brooklyn

    E 19 BFD - organized at 735 Dean St  1880
    E 19 beame E 19 FDNY 1898
    E 19 became E 119 1899
    E 119 became E 219 1913
    E 219 moved to new firehouse 494 Dean St w/L 105 1977

E 19 BFD:


E 19 BFD had 112 response boxes.  They also had 94 2nd alarm boxes. Response area was diverse: factories; childrens' homes; breweries; car stables; hospitals; schools; storehouses; armory.  Company equipped with 2nd class Amoskeag engine, 4 wheel hose cart and 4 horses.

E 119:


From Don Holt's NYFD site:


Newspaper account of driver of E 119 serious injury while responding to 1902 fire:

Brooklyn Daily Eagle

E 219:




WNYF (4th/2001):


735 Dean St former firehouse current:




http://www.corcoran.com/nyc/Listings/Display/2551618

494 Dean St firehouse

E 219/L 105

E 219 R&Ws:
Year Engine Runs EMS Workers OSW ALL HANDS
1975 219    3827  0    2424    0 
1976 219    3673  0    2463    0 
1977 219    4048  0    2866    0 
1978 219    3869  0    2697    0 
1979 219    2874  0    1721    0 
1980 219    3228  0    1883    0 
1981 219    2540  0    1473    0 
1982 219    2595  0    1304    0 
1983 219    1981  0    1056  204 
1984 219    2190  0    1178     
1985 219    2214  0    1157  196 
1986 219    1936  0    1113  196 
1987 219    2079  0    1171  182 
1988 219    2059  0    1137  163 
1989 219    2123  0    1129  201 
1990 219    2281  0    1135  192 
1991 219    2416  0    1211  183 
1992 219    2494  0    1230  182 
1993 219    2363  0    1042  159 
1994 219    2218  0    1067  174 
1995 219    2827  0    1723  192 
1996 219    2665 290    1554  194 
1997 219    2299 557    1455  199 
1998 219    2641 536    1483  162 
1999 219    2508 518    1535  195 
2000 219    2414 565    1596  183 
2001 219    2335 488    1407  177 
2002 219    2528 585    1564  171 
2003 219    2714 628    1586  181 
2004 219    2740 668    1468  190 
2005 219    3065 738    1907  205 
2006 219    3015 824    1799  200 
2007 219    3098 832    1759  171 
2008 219    2881 839    1844  182 
2009 219    2910 309    1933  219 
2010 219    2998 842    1912  238  36
2011 219    2912 880    1911  237  66
2012 219    2693 828    1727  166  37
Thanks Frank Raffa

 

[mack]

Ladder 105  former firehouse 648 Pacific St

    L 5 BFD orgainzed Manhattan Ave and Ten Eyck St  1869
    L 5 BFD disbanded  1873
    L 5 BFD reorganized 648 Pacific St  1885
    L 5 BFD became L 5 FDNY  (Bklyn)  1898
    L 5 FDNY (Bklyn) became L 55  1899
    L 55 became L 105 1913
    L 105 moved to 494 Dean St w/ E 219  1977

Note - L 5 BFD original firehouse 130 Ten Eyck St former quarters of volunteer Engine 4 United States

L 5 BFD:


L 105:







R&Ws:
Year Ladder Runs EMS Workers OSW ALL HANDS
1975 105    5322        3487      0 
1976 105    5088        3447      0 
1977 105    4937        3345      0 
1978 105    3850        2600      0 
1979 105    3759        2472      0 
1980 105    4000        2502      0 
1981 105    3402        2074      0 
1982 105    3470        2075      0 
1983 105    2871        1662    440 
1984 105    3394        2009      0 
1985 105    3545        2149    467 
1986 105    3052        1883    356 
1987 105    3153        1987    380 
1988 105    3000        1848    369 
1989 105    3131        1985    381 
1990 105    3020        1983    355 
1991 105    3183        2101    358 
1992 105    3259        2291    366 
1993 105    3069        2097    357 
1994 105    3063        2144    347 
1995 105    3303        2290    355 
1996 105    3425 76  2433    375 
1997 105    3362 243 2258    401 
1998 105    2900 48  1927    324 
1999 105    2950 37  2050    370 
2000 105    2950 35  2100    390 
2001 105    2900      2050    386 
2002 105    3033      2193    405 
2003 105    2953      2196    358 
2004 105    2912      2125    351 
2005 105    3260      2433    357 
2006 105    2912      2358    357 
2007 105    3340      2045    484 
2008 105    2965      2439    442 
2009 105    2912      2427    439 
2010 105    3189      2688    424  49
2011 105    3008      2535    431  78
2012 105    3011      2542    402  54
Thanks Frank Raffa

494 Dean St firehouse E 219/L 105:


FDNY ENGINE 219, FDNY TOWER LADDER 105 & FDNY R.A.C. UNIT 5 RESPONDING AND FDNY CPC-L105 PARKED.

 

[mack]

E 24 - former firehouse - 78 Morton St  (1865-1975)

    E 24 organized former volunteer firehouse 78 Morton St 1865
    E 24 moved to new firehouse 227 Ave of Americas w/L 5, D 1  1975

Note -  Volunteer Engine No. 34 responded from 78 Morton St from 1864-1865.













WNYF (2nd/2001):


78 Morton former firehouse - current:


Current firehouse w/L 5, Bn 2:


E 24's history: http://nyfd.com/manhattan_engines/engine_24/engine_24.pdf

fdny engine 24

fdny engine 24 battalion 2

 

[mack]

Howard Engine 34 (Red Rover) - predecessor of FDNY Engine 24 - history:

Volunteer Engine No. 34. -- Howard "Red Rover" -- this company was organized in 1807. It started with twenty-six men on its roll.  In 1813 it was located at Amos Street, and in 1820 at Gouverneur Street, in 1830 at Hudson and Christopher Streets, and in 1864 at 78 Morton Street.  Volunteer E 34 went out of service in 1865 when the paid department was formed.



Members of Engine 34 fought in the 11th NY Volunteer Regiment - 1st Fire Zouaves - during the Civil War:

A noted member of E 34 was the real life William Poole, the Real "Bill The Butcher" character played by Daniel Day Lewis in "Gangs of New York".



"While the character of Priest Vallon, played by Liam Neeson was fictional and not based off real historical figures, the character of Bill Cutting was.  Brilliantly by Daniel Day Lewis, the character of Bill Cutting was directly based off the real historical figure William Poole. The last name may have been changed but William Poole's real nickname "Bill The Butcher" was used in the movie Gangs of New York.

William Poole was a Nativist enforcer of The Native American Party, also known as The Know Nothing Party, which was a faction of the American Republican Party. The Know Nothing was a movement created by Nativists whom believed that the overwhelming immigration of German and Irish Catholic immigrants were a threat to republican values and controlled by the Pope in Rome.

They were dubbed the Know Nothings by outsiders of their semi-secret organization. This had nothing to do with them knowing anything. It had to do with their reply when asked of the organization's activities, often stating, "I know nothing."  The real Bill The Butcher was a leader of The Bowery Boys and known for his skills as being a good bare knuckle boxer. Poole's trade was that of a butcher, and was infuriated when many butchering licenses were being handed out to Irish immigrants.

William Poole was born in Sussex County, New Jersey to parents of English protestant descent. His family moved to New York City in 1832 to open a butcher shop in Washington Market, Manhattan.  Unlike the movie which Bill "The Butcher" Cutting mentions his father dying fighting against the British, the real William Poole's father did not die fighting the British. In fact, Bill Poole trained in his father's trade and eventually took over the family store. In the 1840s, he worked with the Howard (Red Rover) Volunteer Fire Engine Company #34, Hudson & Christopher Street.

Like in the movie, William "The Butcher" Poole was shot. However, he was shot at Stanwix Hall, a bar on Broadway near Prince. Unlike the movie Gangs of New York, William Poole did not die in a glorious street battle against his Irish enemies. Instead, he died from the gun wound at his home on Christopher Street. His last words were: "Goodbye, boys. I die a true American."

What was true in the movie was the conflict the real Bill The Butcher had with the Irish immigrant gang the Dead Rabbits. The Dead Rabbits were William Poole's The Bowery Boys most hated enemy, and the leader of the Dead Rabbit's was Bill The Butcher's most hated archenemy.

Bill Poole, the Washington market butcher, who was shot in Stanwix Hall on Broadway by Lewis Baker at one o'clock Sunday morning February 25, 1855, was a Volunteer of this company."
-from "The History of Gangs of New York! A Look Behind The History That Inspired The Movie!"

 

[mack]

Engine 24 (FDNY) - predecessor - Howard Engine 34 - "Red Dover"

E 34 responding 1830:


Origanized on Amos St (W 10th St) 1813 with 26 members.  Moved to Gouverneur St in 1820, where engine company in above scene responded from.  Location appears to be Sheridan Square vicinity.

Engine depicted is side-stroke "goose-neck" (NY Style) machine manufactured by James Smith Co, NY.

Company was named for Harry Howard, who became Chief Engineer of the New York Fire Department.

"Red Rover" (a nickname was traditional for all NYC volunteer fire companies in the 1800s) most likely came from a popular 1827 sea novel by James Fenimore Cooper - "Red Rover". 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Rover)



NYC built new firehouse for E 34 in 1864 at 78 Morton Street - which became original home of Engine 24 FDNY, when the new Metropolitan Fire Department was organized in 1865.

 

[mack]

Ladder 5 and Ladder 5-2 - original quarters - 102 Charles St    (Ladder 5 1865-1975/Ladder 5-2 1884-1939)

    - Original volunteer firehouse of Ladder 14 Columbian Fire Company 1854-1865

    - L 5 organized at 102 Charles St  1865
    - L 5 moved to new firehouse 227 Ave of Americas w/E 24, D 1  1975

    - L 5-2 organized at 102 Charles St at L 5  1884
    - L 5-2 disbanded 1939

    - D 1 moved to new firehouse 227 Avenue of Americas w/E 24, L5  1975
    - D 1 moved to 251 Lafayette St w/L 20  1990
    - D 1 moved to 227 Avenue of Americas w/E 24, L 5 1994
    - D 1 moved to 251 Lafayette St w/L 20  1998

    - Bn 2 moved to 227 Avenue of Americas w/E24, L 5  1998

L 5 102 Charles St firehouse:




1930s:




102 Charles St current:




E 24/L 5/Bn 2 227 Ave of Americas:


Fdny Ladder 5



Notes: 
-  Ladder 14 Columbian Fire Company, predecessor of L 5 FDNY, was organized in 1854 with 14 members at temp firehouse on Greenwich St.  It moved to its new firehouse on Charles St in 1857.  The Charles St firehouse was one of the best in the city - library, parlor, bunk room, truck room, garden.
-  Battalion 2 has been quartered in 8 different firehouses
-  Division 1 has been quartered in 11 different firehouses

 

[mack]

Engine 227 - original firehouse - 979 Herkimer St

    E 27 BFD organized at 979 Herkimer St  1889
    E 27 BFD became E 27 FDNY 1898
    E 27 became E 127  1899
    E 127 became E 227  1913
    E 227 moved to firehouse 423 Ralph Ave w/ L 123  1949

E 27 BFD:


Engine 27 BFD:

from "Our Firemen"

Engine 27 BFD fire 1900:

from Brooklyn Eagle

979 Herkimer St:




423 Ralph Ave:






R&Ws:
Year  Engine Runs  EMS    Worker OSW All Hands
1975 227 4645 0 3132 0
1976 227 4152 0 2890 0
1977 227 4364 0 3417 0
1978 227 4302 0 3401 0
1979 227 3371 0 2300 0
1980 227 3238 0 2242 0
1981 227 3028 0 1984 0
1982 227 2753 0 1764 0
1983 227 2733 0 1867 365
1984 227 2715 0 1779 0
1985 227 2651 0 1727 284
1986 227 2532 0 1666 318
1987 227 2755 0 1814 270
1988 227 3253 0 2253 314
1989 227 3160 0 2114 293
1990 227 3556 0 2170 261
1991 227 3888 0 2356 287
1992 227 3907 0 2265 339
1993 227 3623 0 2097 348
1994 227 3528 0 2002 322
1995 227 3585 0 2307 343
1996 227 3595 424 2541 343
1997 227 3472 859 2428 322
1998 227 3137 775 2267 310
1999 227 3360 899 2311 300
2000 227 3603 781 2087 303
2001 227 2957 782 2074 262
2002 227 2919 728 1996 319
2003 227 3211 776 2176 341
2004 227 3496 891 2361 403
2005 227 3748 945 2533 402
2006 227 3790 1023 2619 369
2007 227 3810 1147 2673 406
2008 227 3694 1056 2423 407
2009 227 3826 1063 2510 336
2010 227 3796 1252 2650 345 69
2011 227 3493 1140 2522 344 85
2012 227 3436 1121 2511

Engine 227 former firehouse - today:


Thanks to Gman for help.

 

[guitarman314]

Engine 227 - original firehouse - 979 Herkimer St

    E 27 BFD organized at 979 Herkimer St  1889
    E 27 BFD became E 27 FDNY 1898
    E 27 became E 127  1899
    E 127 became E 227  1913
    E 227 moved to new firehouse 423 Ralph Ave w/ L 123  1949

E 27 BFD:


979 Herkimer St:




423 Ralph Ave:






R&Ws:
Year  Engine Runs  EMS    Worker OSW All Hands
1975 227 4645 0 3132 0
1976 227 4152 0 2890 0
1977 227 4364 0 3417 0
1978 227 4302 0 3401 0
1979 227 3371 0 2300 0
1980 227 3238 0 2242 0
1981 227 3028 0 1984 0
1982 227 2753 0 1764 0
1983 227 2733 0 1867 365
1984 227 2715 0 1779 0
1985 227 2651 0 1727 284
1986 227 2532 0 1666 318
1987 227 2755 0 1814 270
1988 227 3253 0 2253 314
1989 227 3160 0 2114 293
1990 227 3556 0 2170 261
1991 227 3888 0 2356 287
1992 227 3907 0 2265 339
1993 227 3623 0 2097 348
1994 227 3528 0 2002 322
1995 227 3585 0 2307 343
1996 227 3595 424 2541 343
1997 227 3472 859 2428 322
1998 227 3137 775 2267 310
1999 227 3360 899 2311 300
2000 227 3603 781 2087 303
2001 227 2957 782 2074 262
2002 227 2919 728 1996 319
2003 227 3211 776 2176 341
2004 227 3496 891 2361 403
2005 227 3748 945 2533 402
2006 227 3790 1023 2619 369
2007 227 3810 1147 2673 406
2008 227 3694 1056 2423 407
2009 227 3826 1063 2510 336
2010 227 3796 1252 2650 345 69
2011 227 3493 1140 2522 344 85
2012 227 3436 1121 2511

E227 moved into L123's firehouse in 1948 but it was not a new firehouse in 1948.

 

[JOR176]

I'm not sure of the date 227 moved to Ralph Ave. but both them and 214 moved off Herkimer St. around the same time. E214 & L111 in the Halsey St. FH was a nightmare, you should have seen how close the apparatus's were together,there was barely enough room between the Engine & Truck and just enough room between the Engine and the staircase going upstairs.