FDNY Auxiliary?

[Sentinel]

Note 30 July 2008: The following was an message left by Chief J.R. Goldstien 28 Oct 2005. There are some of us who have been on top of the fire department for ignoring dedicated members who suffering from 9-11 wtc illnesses and the department shunns us for meking inquiries into their blatant misconduct regarding this program.


Follow-Up To The Dangers

Dear Editor,

We once again call you attention to the letter to the editor from the last time we wrote to The Wave. What we fail to understand is why The Wave is not doing anything about the dangers in the Rockaways.

Why is it that our local elected officials have done nothing about the dangers, from hurricanes, northeasters, and tsunamis, which could hit our area. Why is it that this present city and state administrations have seen fit not to care at all about the Rockaways, Queens, Brooklyn and Staten Island, where not thousands but millions of lives are in great danger. Why is it that there are not enough evacuation route notices posted, or combined services to help with evacuation, or no direct drills and working status with Nassau County (who could get hit like we can), or no direct officials from OEM for our area.

The President of the United States calls out for volunteers to help our cities and towns, but the mayor and governor do not care about any extra trained help, or have thought about enough shelters for people. The Red Cross is the only one to take action in any incident that could hit us.

Our local elected officials call and have town hall meetings and make fancy speeches, but nothing ever gets done. The present city administration seeks to whitewash this danger. The city and state will not re-vamp the Auxiliary Fire Corps for extra manpower, but the Auxiliary Police can get anything they wish from the city.

Where is the $18 million dollars that the Federal Government gives every year to the FDNY for volunteer programs?

The offices of OEM (which is under the control of the NYPD) will not recognize many dedicated, well-trained volunteer groups within the greater metro area. The city governments do not recognize the efforts and service of volunteer organizations. Organizations have no chance to say what they wish and take the city officials to task.

We have no emergency official help in our area except police and fire. It would take OEM officials, the Red Cross, and other volunteer organizations at least 45 minutes to get out here, and no group works together for the whole area.

As volunteer firefighters for over 40 years, we find that in the past two to four years we have found that the weather conditions have gotten worse, with many more hurricanes, earthquakes, and tidal waves. We do not wish a disaster to hit us like it did India. With proper training, this could be prevented by city agencies and volunteer groups.

We need to start these programs NOW, not after it happens and it is too late, when waves and 150 mph winds could hit us and cut the Rockaways in half, destroy our bridges, and flood out Breezy Point and other low-lying areas. Many lives will be lost if we do not take action. We ask the city to create a new commissioner for volunteer public safety organizations to take charge of all the volunteer groups so they could work together in the event of an emergency.

The International Association of Auxiliary Volunteer Firefighters for over 26 years has seen all kinds of disasters, and we find that if this area is not fixed, anything could happen. Many of our people are fully trained in disaster and evacuation management. We ask The Wave to get the project started and put pressure on our city officials to save lives in our area. If any people wish to contact us, our number is (716) 327-0444 24 hours a day. We are looking for good people to join our organization.

CHIEF J.R. GOLDSTEIN

 

[Sentinel]

Note: Just to give you an idea of the resentment of Auxiliaries by this department here is an example: This guy who doesn't know me or any other auxiliary is just the type of people who permiate within the service and is why as a program even though mandated by law is in disaray. Those of us who went through 9-11 as americans we are not allowed to speak on the actual events that were occuring there. There is alot of situations that happened that day that the media is not telling the american public. so therefore anyone who questions the "official story" are ridiculed. So be it.

26th March 2008, 12:02 AM   
NYCEMT86
Muse

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: The Slums of Brooklyn
Posts: 619  I think TC329 is talking about me. I haven't been around because the forum has taken a back seat to other priorities. I don't know where you got this "split" from.


"Issac is a buff, he is shunned by members and considered an EDP."


When a widow of one of the firefighters killed at the Deutsch Bank fire was asked to record her grieving as proof of something (I don't know the full details), the members were outraged and tried to organize a protest and they called the lawyer up giving him their opinions on the bs they required.

They are outraged by the cover up of the Deutsch bank. Unfortuantly, its illegal for the firefighters to strike, but they make sure their voice is heard. Still only 1 retired member and one buff has spoken out. Not very impressive for you twoofers.


They will not lose their jobs for speaking out, if that happened, the union would be outraged and sue the department and somebody would be sitting home collecting their 3/4 plus whatever from the lawsuit.

I am tired of the twoofers playing the "but their a 9/11 Hero, how dare you" card. Yes Schroeder is a hero, but it is clear in his interview that he was wrong about details. People can be heros and wrong at the same time. 

 

[FDNY 6012]

So im guessing there are still aux.'s out there? Why is the Dept ''hiding'' them? NYPD Aux. seems pretty successful, and I read in one of the post by Sentinel that the program is mandated by law.

 

[squarewheels]

what the hell do we need an auxiliary for. the fdny fire/ems is 15,000 members strong.  if we need more guys hire the active guys for overtime which there is none anymore. become a vollie in the burbs somewhere but fdny is fine the way it is

 

[RPM3311]

what the hell do we need an auxiliary for. the fdny fire/ems is 15,000 members strong.   if we need more guys hire the active guys for overtime which there is none anymore. become a vollie in the burbs somewhere but fdny is fine the way it is

When you need to throw a 35 foot ground ladder by yourself at 2 in the morning you'll be wishing you had those auxillary firefighters still.

 

[Sentinel]

It's with regrets the passing of Aux. Captain John Grande last month at the age of 91. John was a friend of Triple Deuce for over 75 years. John grew up in the neighborhood around E. 222 and was a fixture in the firehouse on Quincy St. and Ralph Ave. If you wanted to know anything about the old days in Bed-Stuy or Bushwick all you had to do was pull up a chair next to John and he tell you things ranging from Mae West and W.C. Fields burlesque days to Jackie Gleason visiting the theaters on Broadway to the Borden's Milk Factory located across the street from the firehouse. John made a name for himself in the N.Y. papers with a rescue of a child at a fire when he was a teenager. Unfortunately a war injury affected his hearing and he was unable to enter the FDNY but that didn't stop him from becoming an auxiliary fireman and life long friend to Triple Deuce. He visited the firehouse regularly up until this past year when his health wouldn't let him. John would be proud of E. 222's apparatus and Honor Guard standing tall outside the church on his way to his final resting place. He will be missed.

 

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1998 Line of Duty Death Memorial List


Raymond Nakovics, 49, a 27-year FDNY veteran, died of a heart attack while fighting an apartment building fire on April 29, 1998. A week before his own death, he had given away his dress uniform so an auxiliary firefighter could be buried in it.

 

[Sentinel]

FIRE DEPARTMENT
LEGAL DIVISION
August 15, 1983

To: Adolph S. Tortoriello, Chief of Support Service
From: Caryn Bernstien, Summer Intern
Regarding: Workers compesation Coverage for Auxiliary Firemen

"Political subdivisions of New York State are mandated by Statute to prepare and implement plans for services in connection with civil defense. The Fire Department, as a municiple agency, is required to, Recruit, equip and tarin either directly or through other political sub divisions of the state auxilairy fire in suficient numbers to permit the most effective utilization of all fire aparraus and to perform such other functions as may be required during and subsequent to attack"

Unconsolidated Laws-State Defense $9312(D) (24).)

 

[Sentinel]

Auxiliary firmen, Enrolled as civil defnse volunteers serving under the New York state Defense Emergency Act, are covered for disability, death, infection and disease by special provisions of the Workers Compensation Law. (Article 10_Workers compensation act for Civil Defense Volunteers, Enacted 1951.)

training and practice exercises for volunteer auxiliary firemen and rescue squads are compensable as Hazardous employment under $3(1) (group 17) provided that such exercises are:

A) Sponsored or authorized by local office of ivil Defense and;

B) held at the direction of or designated as state training and civil defnse commission.

This coverage is mandatory. A 1952 opinion of the state comptroller, Interpreting$3, Specific that workers compensation coverage must be provided for auxiliary firemen and members of resque squads during training and practice periods. (8 OP. State Compt: 39< #5509)

 

[tl-ff]

The FDNY's auxillary program ended in the early 1990's. Many of the former auxillaries still show up if able and allowed by their former assigned house to jobs to assist with exterior tasks and visit the firehouses they were assigned to, BUT they are no longer covered nor are they recognized officially by the FDNY. My house had auxilliaries and they came around for a long time after the program was officially ended, however had they been involved in some sort of incident (injured or killed) they were on their own. We burried one of our last auxillary members 2 years ago, we still called him chief, he showed up to jobs and he came to nearly every function until he was un-healthy to do so but it was on his own time and un-recognized except by us in his house. 

RIP Chief Lanza

 

[Sentinel]

Goodafternoon,

Sorry< I have to disagree with the time period:
"The FDNY's auxillary program ended in the early 1990's."

I graduated the fire academy(The Rock) under training from Lt Bill Barrett and was taken into Engine Company 207 (TFS) under traning from Capt Charles Phaye. Then after getting a hard time from the paid members had to find another company for assignment. I had to make my own approach to companies because the department would not make the assist for house apointments. So I approached Engine 294 under Captain Richard Rotanz and road with them until agin paid members cried and whined about the "Buff". Then I road with a few companies in the bronx and even had the chance to ride (1 time) Resque 4 Queens. I then approached Engine 10 WTC under Captain Ugene Kelty 98/99. There was a union delgate Paul Panzini (RIP) who was a former police officer as well. so you know how it goes.  Right before 9-11 I joined the NYPD Auxilairy because as they put I was APSU Qualified because of my training background through the FDNY as FEMA-Emergency  Program Management/ Mitigation Radio Communications specialist/ watchstander. Well, Being the NYPD just seems to like having a stuff shirt out there for crime prevention purposes only the also have a program which is a "cattle move program" where coordinators have to take the course because it seem to be the only way they can be promoted. Really scarey that I told them they were going to loose people LODD and they never took it seriously. They traine APOs to be agresssive then when they follow instructions they clip you. I really don't recommend the PD/Aux program for the below standards class training. They just use it for compstat.

Sentinel

 

[Sentinel]

Civilian Preparedness in New York City

Funding of citizen Corps and Cert in NYC:

"The problem with funding Citizen Corps and CERT in NYC is Two Fold: D.C. does not give to give NY State its fair share of funding for the civil defnse programs and Albany in turns does not give NYC a fair share share of the money it was awarded."

"New York City is being asked to more with less. Dispite the fact that it has nearly half of the states population and is the highest-risk locality in the state, NYC has not recieved a proportional and share of CERT funding from FFY02-FFY04 and its share for Citizen Corps has deprciated by 34% since FFY02."


Note 8/1/8: Tell me how when there is not inter-agency intell (Real time) how 15.000 MOS are going to protect millions?


Have a nice day

Sentinel

 

[RPM3311]

I'm just curious squarewheels what company are you in?

 

[Sentinel]

This was a little something I put to "Americas Mayor" before 9-11. He was givin a "vunerable list" by former NYPD Chief Lou "Big Lou" Annimone before 9-11 which sited WTC as a vunerable target for terrorism. I loved how he disribed the look "Glazed." I call it "Glazed Doughnuts" What did "Americas Mayor" turn around and do?

He put a command and Control Operations Center right smack in the middle of it.
Go Figure


I was under the impression that if the mayor were to hear that two aux cops assisted in preventing the death and injuries to posibly hundreds of people in midtown 7/27/00 17Pct 2100hrs. That he show an interest in it but I guess I was wrong in assuming that. I'm sorry that I was trying to do the right thing when we noticed people in trouble. Maybe it could have been someone in your family in that bus hostage situation that we were tracking. But I've learned an important lesson in this matter, to mind my own business and when I see someone in trouble or as was our case a life and death emergency relating to a bomb threat in midtownmanhattan on a crowded bus on a crowded street we'll just follow your example and stay out of it. Thanks for a lesson well taught. Paul Isaac Jr APO#12017-438136-17Pct.
E-mail Letter to NYC-GOV Monday September 11, 2000 1657Hrs.


Note 8/1/8: My partner and I were commendably dismissed 27 September 2000.
Funny how I never recieved discharge papers or notice from the FDNY.

(Sentinel)

 

[Bulldog]

what overall situation are you referring to? all my fdny brothers would agree with me when i say the fdny does not need an auxiliary program. why pay fdny more? why give them better benefits? we have the auxiliaries to pick up the slack says bloomturd. union man 100% my friend and proud of it!  did you even ever take the fdny test to become a nyc firefighter or was it a conspiracy why you did'nt get hired?

The overall situation is that no matter how many resources are available they would be totally overwhelmed in many situation, 9/11 with a minor problem compared to other possibilities.  No, I never did take the fdny test because I don't live there would if I did the attitude of people like you would discourage me taking it.  Unions had their place but today the only get in the way of successful operations and managment.  I've worked with several fire departments that were combined paid and volunteer that worked very successfully.  One of the best example is the Protectives in Rochester New York, they are a volunteer support unit that runs within a fully paid department.  There's no animosity between union and volunteers, the paid men actually appreciate the support they get from the Protectives.  The city provides a driver and truck for them and they pulled duty shifts just like any other firefighter.

 

[RPM3311]

what overall situation are you referring to? all my fdny brothers would agree with me when i say the fdny does not need an auxiliary program. why pay fdny more? why give them better benefits? we have the auxiliaries to pick up the slack says bloomturd. union man 100% my friend and proud of it!  did you even ever take the fdny test to become a nyc firefighter or was it a conspiracy why you did'nt get hired?

The overall situation is that no matter how many resources are available they would be totally overwhelmed in many situation, 9/11 with a minor problem compared to other possibilities.  No, I never did take the fdny test because I don't live there would if I did the attitude of people like you would discourage me taking it.  Unions had their place but today the only get in the way of successful operations and managment.  I've worked with several fire departments that were combined paid and volunteer that worked very successfully.  One of the best example is the Protectives in Rochester New York, they are a volunteer support unit that runs within a fully paid department.  There's no animosity between union and volunteers, the paid men actually appreciate the support they get from the Protectives.  The city provides a driver and truck for them and they pulled duty shifts just like any other firefighter.

I'm not so sure squarewheels is actually an FDNY firefighter, I'm becoming a bit suspicous.

But I do agree with you bulldog, my best friend is a firefighter in a paid/ volunteer company. He says for the most part he likes the volunteers, but of course you will run into a few people you don't like no matter where you work. He's appreciates the volunteers and he also said if his entire company was all paid he would not be making as much money as he does (he makes alot for a firefighter).

 

[FDNY 6012]

Im a Cadet in a combo of paid/vollie Dept. aside from being a FDNY Explorer. Everyone gets along and works together great. There are Interior, exterior and cadet firefighters who work together well and get the job done. FDNY Aux. wouldnt be bad to have for a second set of hands to the firefighters, but I cant see the program making a comeback anytime soon. Unless the war years sneak up on us then I dont think theres a chance the program will return but you never know.....

Quote from: squarewheels on August 01, 2008, 01:09:51 PM
what overall situation are you referring to? all my fdny brothers would agree with me when i say the fdny does not need an auxiliary program. why pay fdny more? why give them better benefits? we have the auxiliaries to pick up the slack says bloomturd. union man 100% my friend and proud of it!  did you even ever take the fdny test to become a nyc firefighter or was it a conspiracy why you did'nt get hired?

Your wrong when you say your FDNY ''brothers'' would agree with you when you said FDNY doesnt need Auxillary's. I was talking with couple of FDNY guys and they all said that having aux. would be a good idea because who wants to roll and pack hose after a job? who wants to change SCBA bottles when exausted from backing up your nozzle man at 10-75?. Those are some tasks that Aux. can handle when guys(and girls) are taking a blow from fightin' a fire. Whats the problems with having a extra set of hands? and why are you so negative towards vollies and Aux.? after all they're willing to do YOUR job for free.

 

[Sentinel]

I equate the Auxiliary Firefighters to the British Volunteer brigades who responded During ww2. it seems that even though its mandate by law and we have members who have extra-ordinary training background the FDNY feels it is exempt from following lawful orders.

It looks like negligence when the department will open arms for visitors yet snub people who ran with them to hell during the war years then during civil defense during the cold war then again during 9-11.

When will we learn that its the people we serve not ourselves?

Theres no "I" in team work but the is one in Selfish.

No Honor in tunnel vision


Paul Isaac
FDNY Aux/Acting Lt (As per Last RTO)
Legion of the Damned

 

[Sentinel]

I want to say sorry for the Writing errors on post. I working out the BPL and limited time to make corrections, plus research.

Sorry


Sentinel

 

[Sentinel]

Question,

Who gave the naudet Bros access yet snubbed us before 9-11?


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