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I found a study done in 1982 which analyzed FDNY cutbacks in the 1970s.  It is heady but there is lot of relevant information regarding reductions in the fire service, resulting effectiveness and the impact upon firefighters.  The study suggests "a possible occupational health disaster among fire fighters unprecedented in the history of the profession."  Please do not try and read all the psychological models presented.  The fire data and actuary information is interesting but the warnings and recommendations at the end are important and applicable today.

http://www.nyenvirolaw.org/PDF/Wallace-NYCfireEpidemicAsToxicPhenomenon.pdf
 
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Rumor I heard was possibly
E4,271,161,L53,E157
Also
E242,93,L116

Just rumor from the Union.
 
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rdm258 said:
Rumor I heard was possibly
E4,271,161,L53,E157
Also
E242,93,L116

Just rumor from the Union.
Yes, those were rumored but remember Nov. 22, 1972 when most 2nd sections were disbanded or reorganized as new companies while in Manhattan: E31, E32; Brooklyn: E215; Queens: E267; and Staten Island: E154 were disbanded. Then on July 2, 1975 the following companies were disbanded in Manhattan: E15, E26, E27, E44, E67, L8 & L9; Bronx: E89, Sq5, & CFC121(E70/TL53); Brooklyn: E205, E212, E218, E232, E269, E278*, Sq3 & Sq4; Queens: E263, E293, E306, E328, L171; Richmond: E154 & E167. All were reinstated but on Nov. 22, 1975, E27, E154, E212, E269, E294, L10 & the ladder part of CFC121(L53) were disbanded and although some were bought back years later, others were not. Now who's to say some of those companies couldn't get the axe again today? ???
 
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So it comes down to 2 Staten Island engines, 2 Manhattan engines, 2 Brooklyn Engines, 1 Bronx Ladder, and a Queens ladder. I still don't see how you can close 2 engines on Staten Island. They don't have enough to cover as is. This could really be bad if they close 242 and 161 for some parts of Staten Island.

Let's just hope Bloomberg digs into his pocket and pulls out the money to save these companies and the people's lives that he is jeopardizing.
 
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Mayor now says he will wait 5-6 weeks more before a decision is made,wants to see were tax revenue are.
 
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[/quote] Yes, those were rumored but remember Nov. 22, 1972 when most 2nd sections were disbanded or reorganized as new companies while in Manhattan: E31, E32; Brooklyn: E215; Queens: E267; and Staten Island: E154 were disbanded. Then on July 2, 1975 the following companies were disbanded in Manhattan: E15, E26, E27, E44, E67, L8 & L9; Bronx: E89, Sq5, & CFC121(E70/TL53); Brooklyn: E205, E212, E218, E232, E269, E278*, Sq3 & Sq4; Queens: E263, E293, E306, E328, L171; Richmond: E154 & E167. All were reinstated but on Nov. 22, 1975, E27, E154, E212, E269, E294, L10 & the ladder part of CFC121(L53) were disbanded and although some were bought back years later, others were not. Now who's to say some of those companies couldn't get the axe again today? ???
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  Yes G-man, we both remember that. I also remember people saying, "How could they do that with so many fires going on". But they did. And as we both know, the fire activity just got worse. For the next few years, getting a fire response was NOT aways possible. One engine and one truck would sometimes have to handle a building fire by themselves. "kfd274" posted that story from the NY Post that told the story of what could happen again. We didn't think it was possible to close all those companies, with so many fires. But they did it anyway. "They just don't care". Fire depts seem to be a low priority for most places. The very rich community of Westport, Ct recently stated they would rather close two firehouses than close a library.
 
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NY DAILY NEWS (excerpts)

Tuesday, May 18th 2010, 4:00 AM
... Mayor Bloomberg is giving a reprieve to 20 fire companies on the chopping block - at least for now...

He's counting on Albany to come through with some last-minute cash when the Legislature finalizes a spending plan - one that is already 48 days late...

"We don't have a budget yet, and until then, there's no reason to do anything. There is a requirement of 45 days' notice before you close a company or a firehouse and we will comply with the law."

"I'd like to have another five or six weeks of [city] tax revenues information, see how tax revenues are coming in."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/05/18/2010-05-18_firehouse_budget_reprieve.html#ixzz0oKOWkvZ3
 
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City counsel is demanding "the list" before they will vote on the budget.  The list exsists....only two people know who is on it....the Mayor and the FC. 
 
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News of no closings is great but at news conference the Mayor mentioned the reduction of 60 Engines to 4 man manning. This would eliminate 5 man engines. This has to be negotiated with union but it seems like the RSOT agreement will be gone. Also getting council to agree to remove alarm boxes.
 
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I agree Mac with losing the 5th man,but I still thinking losing 20 plus companies would have had more jarring of a impact.
 
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mac8146 said:
News of no closings is great but at news conference the Mayor mentioned the reduction of 60 Engines to 4 man manning. This would eliminate 5 man engines. This has to be negotiated with union but it seems like the RSOT agreement will be gone. Also getting council to agree to remove alarm boxes.

They can't touch RSOT.  Its in the current contract, and since we will not be negotiating and are without one....RSOT stays and we keep everything we have on the current contract.  They can't just take it away.  We keep RSOT until whenever a new contract is settled on.....which could be years.  There is no garuntee that we will loose RSOT either.
 
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