Los Angeles Brush Fire 1/7/25

A little bit about the financial and insurance side of this calamity. The responsibility of this disaster lies in the lap of Gavin Newsom and Ricardo Lara who happens to be the commissioner of Insurance for the state of California. For the past 8 years the top 20 companies doing business in the state have filed for rate adjustments to make sure they had adequate resources to pay current claims and to establish reserves for the pending wildfire claims. It is not a matter of if but when regarding the fire exposure. Many areas have a greater exposure than others and the companies needed rate adequacy for the exposure. Fast forward to 2024 and many of the top 20 companies had either stopped writing new business or pulled out of the state altogether. This action shifted the risk to the companies that remained. State Farm asked for a 24% rate increase to continue writing fire insurance in the state. Commissioner Lara denied the increase. State Farm then started the non renewal process for homes in the high risk area and also stopped writing new business. Two more companies pulled out of the state and Lara still refused. Simply put, the premiums didn't match the exposure. The commissioner pulled a power play and it screwed the citizens of California. The average value of the homes in Pacific Palisades was around 10 million, then add 75% (7.5m) for contents and 50% for additional living expenses. Multiply that by 5000 which is the number destroyed just in Palisades. Yep, the state is run by idiots. Don't get me started on the mayor and Fire Chief!
 
As off this morning, death toll has been increased to 10 People. The Palisades fire is now over 20,000 Acres and is only 6% contained. The National Guard has been deployed to assist with the Eaton Fire, which is now 13,690 Acres. The Kenneth Fire in West Hills is over 1,000 Acres and is 35% contained. The Hurst Fire is 37% contained, the Lidia Fire in Acton is less then 500 Acres, and is 75% contained.

The City of Pasedana has announced that they are NO longer taking donations, saying they are overwhelmed. A fixed winged aircraft from Quebec was involved in a drone strike with a drone not assigned to the Pallisades Fire. Quebec 1, the Aircraft involved returned to Van Nuys without farther incident.

The LAPD has advised that they are investigating a possible arson suspect related to the Kenneth Fire, residents called 911 advising that they overheard a male saying he was "trying to light a fire." He was taken into custody.
 
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Fire crews are deploying from more than a thousand miles away to these fires. This Facebook video shows at least three engine companies from northern Idaho leaving for California. Coeur d'Alene is 1,239 miles from Malibu. It won't allow me to post the entire video, but here's a screen shot.
 

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Darrell said:
Don't get me started on the Mayor, she cut the LAFD budget by 17.2 Million (2%), then increased the LAPD Budget by 125.9 Million (7%)
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I saw a report yesterday I think, where they were saying that the FD budget actually increased because the ff union was still negotiating at the beginning of the budget year but finalized after the fact. At that point the budget went up to negotiated raises etc.

HOWEVER
The telling numbers come from reading between the lines. What's the budget for repair, replacement, overtime, New vehicle acquisition, building uogrades........ compared to the last 5 years for example. Those are the numbers among others that tell the true story.
 
Darrell said:
As off this morning, death toll has been increased to 10 People. The Palisades fire is now over 20,000 Acres and is only 6% contained. The National Guard has been deployed to assist with the Eaton Fire, which is now 13,690 Acres. The Kenneth Fire in West Hills is over 1,000 Acres and is 35% contained. The Hurst Fire is 37% contained, the Lidia Fire in Acton is less then 500 Acres, and is 75% contained.

The City of Pasedana has announced that they are NO longer taking donations, saying they are overwhelmed. A LAFD Helicopter was involved in a drone strike with a drone not assigned to the Pallisades Fire. Quebec 1, the Helicopter involved returned to Van Nuys without farther incident.

The LAPD has advised that they are investigating a possible arson suspect related to the Kenneth Fire, residents called 911 advising that they overheard a male saying he was "trying to light a fire." He was taken into custody.
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That wasn't a helicopter that hit a drone. It was a fixed wing asset. The "super scooper" is designed to refill their water tanks by basically landing on a body of water and picking up water before taking off again. They're owned by the Quebec government, hence their callsign.
 
The Super Scooper
From Wikipedia:
Introduced during 1966, the CL-215 was the first aircraft specifically designed to be a water bomber. A total of 125 aircraft were constructed prior to the final CL-215 being delivered during May 1990.

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AYoung said:
That wasn't a helicopter that hit a drone. It was a fixed wing asset. The "super scooper" is designed to refill their water tanks by basically landing on a body of water and picking up water before taking off again. They're owned by the Quebec government, hence their callsign.
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That's for the clairifcation. Got my information off of CBS. They most have not had proper sources either!
 
fdhistorian said:
Deployment snapshot as of 0000 EST, 2100 PST
Los Angeles County and adjacent counties (Kern, Orange, Ventura)

LA County FD (Div 7)
Vegetation Fire
SOLAR DR & ASTRAL DR, LOS ANGELES, CA

Engines - E7 E14 E18 E21 E38 E51 E110 E208
Tanker (land vehicle) - WT70
Squad - S8
Battalion Chiefs - BC1 BC1C BC20C
Helicopters - COPT17 COPT18 COPT19
Camp Crews - CC92 CC93 CC124 CC131
Dozer - DZ7
Transport - TRAN2
Canteen - CN16
Support Unit - SU14 SU17 SU19 SU21 SU42
Utility - U1


LA County FD (Div 5)
Vegetation Fire
5726 SOLEDAD CANYON RD, ACTON, CA

Engines - E37 E75 E78 E79 E80 E81 E84 E92 E108 E114 E131 E132 E134 E136 E140
Tankers (land vehicle) - WT80 WT128 WT130
Tanker (aircraft) - TANKER78
Squads - S107 S131
Brush Patrols - P79 P81 P114 P128 P5130
Battalion Chiefs - BC1C BC6 BC6B BC6C BC11 BC17 BC20C BC44
Helicopters - COPT11 COPT17 COPT18 COPT19
Camp Crews - CC92 CC93 CC141 CC142
Dozers - DZ7 DZ8
Transport - TRAN2 TRAN8
Canteens - CN15 CN16
Support Unit - SU9 SU14 SU19 ESU93


LA County FD (Div 7)
Vegetation Fire
W PACIFIC COAST HWY & MULHOLLAND HWY, MALIBU, CA

Engines - E56(Ventura Co) E71 E72 E99 E144 E528 E599 E5124
Tankers (land vehicle) - WT144
Squads - S71
Brush Patrols - P75 P99
Battalion Chiefs - BC5 BC565
Helicopters - COPT11 COPT17 COPT18
Camp Crews - CC82 CC92 CC93 CC124 CC131
Dozers - DZ7
Transport - TRAN2
Canteens - CN16
Support Unit - SU9 SU14 SU17 SU21


LA County FD (Div 3)
Vegetation Fire
YARNELL ST & 210 FWY, LOS ANGELES, CA

Engines - E107 E111 E123 E128 E143 E149 E156
Tankers (land vehicle) - WT156
Squads - S73
Brush Patrols - P123 P150
Battalion Chiefs - BC6 BC6A BC6B BC11A BC582
Division Chiefs - DC1 DC9
Helicopters - COPT17
Camp Crews - CC131 CC141 CC142
Dozers - DZ2
Transport - TRAN6
Canteens - CN13
Support Unit - SU14 SU21
Angeles National Forest - H532
CA Dept Forestry & Fire Protection - H609


LA County FD (Div 3)
Vegetation Fire
2260 PINECREST DR, ALTADENA, CA

Engines - E5 E8 E11 E12 E13 E17 E19 E20 E22 E24 E25 E26 E28 E29 E30 E31 E32 E35 E39 E40 E42 E43 E44 E47 E48 E52 E54 E61 E63 E66 E73 E74 E76 E82 E85 E90 E93 E96 E101 E102 E103 E105 E106 E116 E121 E126 E130 E135 E150 E154 E163 E164 E165 E167 E168 E169 E170 E182 E194 E233 E244 E286 E583 E763 E5141 E5182 E7563
Ladders - Q166, T82
Tankers (land vehicle) - WT32 WT87
Haz Mat - HM150
Squads - S19 S29 S428 S432
Brush Patrols - P66 P73 P74 P80 P92 P129 P132
Battalion Chiefs - BC2 BC3 BC4 BC9 BC9B BC10 BC10B BC10C BC12A BC16 BC21 BC22 BC44 BC61 BC61X BC91
Division Chiefs - DC1 DC9
Helicopters - COPT11 COPT15 COPT17 COPT22
Camp Crews - CC84 CC92 CC93 CC111 CC112 CC122 CC124 CC142 CC191 CC192
Dozers - DZ6
Transport - TRAN6
Canteens - CN1 CN13
Support Unit - SU9 SU11 SU19 SU21 ESU152
Utilities - U3 U4 U10 U15 U16
Forestry - H509
Foam - F1


LA County FD (Div 7)
Vegetation Fire
1190 PIEDRA MORADA DR, LOS ANGELES, CA

Engines - E3 E4 E9 E27 E45 E50 E65 E67 E68 E69 E70 E88 E89 E98 E118 E125 E160 E162 E194 E444 E470 E485 E539 E565 E599 E4132 E4143 E5124
Tankers (land vehicle) - WT70
Tanker (aircraft) - TANKER02 TANKER41
Squads - S88
Brush Patrols - P44 P65 P67 P69 P70 P72 P82 P91 P97 P120 P144 P151
Battalion Chiefs - BC3 BC5 BC7A BC10C BC11B BC15A BC22B BC23 BC43
Division Chiefs - DC2 DC9
Helicopters - COPT11 COPT17 COPT18 COPT76
Camp Crews - CC12A CC12B CC22 CC23 CC82 CC83 CC84 CC92 CC93 CC112 CC131 CC162 CREW2A CREW2B
Dozers - DZ5
Transport - TRAN7
Canteens - CN4 CN17
Support Unit - SU2 SU8 SU12 SU16 SU20 SU21 SU22 MAL165
Utilities - U1 U10 U16 U18 U20
CA OES Units - OES1303 OES1305 OES8133 OES8134 OES8135


Los Angeles FD (West Division) (CA)
Vegetation Fire
2350 N SOLAR DR, LOS ANGELES, CA

Engines - E1 E6 E12 E13 E20 E24 E34 E35 E41 E52 E56 E58 E60 E76 E81 E82 E86 E89 E90 E97 E108 E207 E215 E226 E233 E235 E237 E260 E261 E287 E294 E305 E450 E462 E496
Ladders - T27
Heavy Rescue - UR27
Brush Patrols - BP41 BP44
Battalion Chiefs - BC1 BC10 BC11 BC13 BC14 BC701 BC705 BC706 BC710 BC718
EMS Supervisors - EM5
Ambulances - RA41 RA76 RA82 RA97
Support Unit - SU4
CA OES Units - E8136 E8137 E8138 E8139 E8140
Com Units CM20 CM22


Los Angeles FD (West Division) (CA)
Vegetation Fire
2460 N STADIUM WAY, LOS ANGELES, CA

Engines - E56 E447
Battalion Chief - BC1


Los Angeles FD - (Valley Division) (CA)
Vegetation Fire
15986 W YARNELL ST, LOS ANGELES, CA

Engines - E8 E18 E24 E28 E81 E86 E87 E89 E91 E103 E108 E305 E496
Battalion Chiefs - BC5 BC14 BC15
EMS Supervisors - EM15
Ambulances - RA75 RA91 RA98 RA891


Los Angeles FD (West Division) (CA)
Vegetation Fire
1190 N PIEDRA MORADA DR, LOS ANGELES, CA

Engines - E1 E1B E3 E3S E4 E5 E6S E11 E12 E14 E15 E17 E19 E20 E26 E27 E29 E33 E37 E38 E39 E41C E43 E43C E48 E49 E58 E61 E62 E63 E64 E66 E67 E68 E69 E70 E71 E73 E75 E82C E85 E88 E93 E94 E95 E98 E105 E201 E209 E221 E227 E229 E237 E248 E263 E269 E275 E290 E292 E295 E443
Ladders - T21 T37 T63 T69 T90 T95
Heavy Rescue - UR5
Tankers - WT77 WT88
Brush Patrols - BP8 BP19 BP23 BP74 BP84 BP99 BP109
Battalion Chiefs - BC9 BC10 BC17 BC701 BC705 BC706 BC717 BC721 BC742
EMS Supervisors - EM9 EM17
Ambulances - RA19 RA23 RA37 RA43 RA56 RA63 RA68 RA69 RA71 RA90 RA92 RA806 RA810 RA815 RA826 RA828 RA829 RA834 RA837 RA839 RA858 RA862 RA867 RA878 RA881 RA892 RA894
Support Unit - SU4
CA OES Units - E8136 E8137 E8138 E8139 E8140
Com Units - CM40 CM42 CM51 CM52 CM742
Dozers - DZ41 DZ42 DZ45
Air Units - EA1 EA2


Ventura County
Vegetation Fire
3750 OLIVAS PARK DR, VENTURA, CA

AIRTANKER1 AIRTANKER2
CALFIRE1 CALFIRE2
Brush - B1 B3 B13 B17 B19 B26 B27 B29 B30 B31 B81
Helicopters - CPT4 CPT5
Dozers - DOZ13 DOZER
Division Chiefs - DIV11 DIV13 DIV14
Drone -
DRONE11
Engines - E87 E127 E184 E333 E351 E357
EMS Supervisor - EMS48
ME1 ME3 ME5 ME127 ME322 ME343
CA OES Units - OES1610 OESWT12
Brush Patrol - P27
Ladder - TR11
Utilities - U5 U6
Tanker - WT40


Ventura County
Vegetation Fire
2801 MADERA RD, SIMI VALLEY, CA

AIRTANKER1 AIRTANKER2
Brush - B19 B21 B26 B28 B30
CALFIRE1 CALFIRE2
CA CDF 9346G
Helicopters - CPT4 CPT5
Division Chiefs - DIV11 DIV13 DIV14
Dozer - DOZ14
Drone - DRONE12
Engines - E35 E41 E42 E45 E46 E145 E333 E351 E357
ME40 ME43 ME47 ME136 ME142 ME322 ME343
Brush Patrol - P33
Ambulance - RA41
Ladder - TR14
Utility - U45
Tanker (Land Vehicle ) - WT40


Orange County
Mutual Aid Staging
1 FIRE AUTHORITY RD, IRVINE, CA

Chief - 1411C
Brush - B18 B27 B59 B60
Engines - E91 E318 E327 E339 E367 E384
CA OES Units - OES1601 OES1602 OES1603 OES1604 OES1605

Note that units move from one assignment to the next after initial dispatch. Some of these incidents have merged. The normal daily, fire, ems, mva incidents are also happening but are not listed here.


Kern County
Mutual Aid
EATON & CA-LAC, KERN COUNTY, CA

Brush Engines - BE301 BE313
Engines - E11 E21 E34 E41 E42 E64 E66 E72 E84 E324 E335 E371 E379
Battalion Chiefs - KB1B KB3C KB4C KB5B KB6A KB7B OCR
CA OES Units - OES5606


Kern County
Mutual Aid
PALISADES & CA-LFD, KERN COUNTY, CA

Camp Crews - CREW11
Dozers - DOZ1 DOZ3 DOZ5 DOZ7
Engines - E12 E32 E48 E55 E67 E311 E322 E356 E363 E378
Battalion Chiefs - KB1A KB2A KB5A KB7A KB20
CA OES Units - OES412
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What are the 400 series engines in L.A. City ? (E. 473, E. 496 etc.)
 
RCL said:
I saw a report yesterday I think, where they were saying that the FD budget actually increased because the ff union was still negotiating at the beginning of the budget year but finalized after the fact. At that point the budget went up to negotiated raises etc.

HOWEVER
The telling numbers come from reading between the lines. What's the budget for repair, replacement, overtime, New vehicle acquisition, building uogrades........ compared to the last 5 years for example. Those are the numbers among others that tell the true story.
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They have been closing companies since 2008. Task Force houses cut to engine company only or Light Force only. Systematic reduction of service while the volume of calls for service increase.
 
soda-acid said:
What are the 400 series engines in L.A. City ? (E. 473, E. 496 etc.)
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400 series are reserve engines. 200's are active companies that have one driver and are attached to truck companies to create the light force or add an engine to create a task force. The 200's they will add officer and two firefighters to beef up resources.
 
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