Seagrave Marauder II Pumpers

Bulldog said:
fltpara16 said:
I thought that would be the case with the bids, that sole sourcing such a large contract would be illegal.  One question to throw out there:  I know the Mack's were looked at as the toughest apparatus that FDNY ever put on the streets.  Of course, they are long gone.  Other than Seagrave, which I know there have been problems with in recent years, are there any other manufacturers that FDNY members feel could hold up to the rigorous use in New York City?  Where I work, we are a Pierce customer. They make a good product, as long as the spec is well written.  I know Pierce does not want to deal with the 5 year warranty required by New York.
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I feel the problem is not really with the manufacturers as much as it is the complexity that is now required.  The old Macks had extremely limited levels of electronics and other sophistication.  The valves were mechanical, the pressure regulator was mechanical, the engine was a plain diesel with no pollution control or other add-ons, there weren't foam systems nor automatic transmissions just to mention a few things.  The levels of sophistication that are these are required by new regulations or specified continue to make the trucks much harder to maintain and more expensive.  I don't believe that any department including FDNY would be satisfied with the old Macks today even if they could get an exemption from the specifications!  They were great for their time but..  Th th.
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Umm not 100% true on that. I was down at the Lafayette Volunteers in Lancaster PA and one of their engines is a 1978 CF. They had the truck since the beginning and still love it. The word on replacement for it was keep it until the state won't allow it to be on front lines. Then just keep it for show.

As for the FDNY contract and KME... IF they were the low bidder but failed to meet the spec then the bid should have been discarded and the next lowest bid should have been looked at. I seriously don't understand why the department now has to go out and rebid. Some of the 2002 engines still left will now not see replacement until probably late 2013 or early 2014.
 
I can't speak for the FDNY  procurement people, but I've had some experience with the government procurement process.  If this were a govt. bid, KME would have been looked at 1st.  If for some reason their bid didn't cut it, Ferrara (the next lowest) would have gotten scrutiny,  and if they were tossed out, Seagrave would follow.  The only reason to rebid would be if none of the 3 bids met every element of the specs. I imagine that's true in this case.
 
Its all gone very quiet on this front....

I have kind of lost track of what is going on with the engines.

As regards the HP engines,(54,65,6,21 and i think one other), have these already been assigned to seagrave to build, and are currently been built, or are they included in the current bidding process between KME Seagrave and Ferrara?

I imagine if some  of these rigs dont get replaced soon FDNY will have to start attaching magnets to the back of the rigs to pick up all the bits that fall off as they drive down the street!!! : )

JT
 
Seagrave has two contracts for pumper delivery over three-year periods.  One is for seven 2000 gpm high-pressure pumpers for Engines 6, 10, 26, 34, 54, 65, and 258.  First delivery is set for February, 2013. The second contract is for seven 1000 gpm rescue pumpers for Squads 1, 18, 41, 61, 252, 270, and 288.  Delivery is to begin in August, 2013.
 
HCO said:
Seagrave has two contracts for pumper delivery over three-year periods.  One is for seven 2000 gpm high-pressure pumpers for Engines 6, 10, 26, 34, 54, 65, and 258.  First delivery is set for February, 2013. The second contract is for seven 1000 gpm rescue pumpers for Squads 1, 18, 41, 61, 252, 270, and 288.  Delivery is to begin in August, 2013.
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Hopefully the squad delivery goes in order of age, but that is still a whole year off. I think that will put some of those at just around 15 years old when they are replaced. 

As for the next round of engines up for bid... The FDNY better do something soon as the remaining 2002s have hit their 10 year mark and the 2003s are not far behind. I do wonder what will happen with oddballs like the few 2004s, 305, and 168.
 
Len90 said:
I do wonder what will happen with oddballs like the few 2004s, 305, and 168.
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Might that would be that they will be bought as add ons to this order whenever it finally gets issued.
 
Ok as far as I know there is no official E-57, maybe this rig is being used at a movie shoot or something. The CTS rigs have no official number designation, most rigs out at randalls island have fire academy or cts stenciled on them.
 
Engine 57 became Marine 1. I have my late father-in-laws front piece for both Engine 57 and Marine 1.
 
mac8146 said:
Ok as far as I know there is no official E-57, maybe this rig is being used at a movie shoot or something. The CTS rigs have no official number designation, most rigs out at randalls island have fire academy or cts stenciled on them.
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Correct, the number boards are taped to the rig, it was for a TV/Movie shoot and it's never been taken off.
 
Yea the number font looks a little different from the usual number font with an American flag on the side of the rig where the company patch usually goes


H & L 147 said:
Engine 57 became Marine 1. I have my late father-in-laws front piece for both Engine 57 and Marine 1.
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H&L do you have a photo of the Marine front piece?? i've never seen one
 
Ill try and find a picture.

Marine Cos=Green Front Piece w/white numbers
Marine Off=White Front piece w/green numbers
 
I got pictures of E-57 today, it's just an 08 Seagrave pumper with the 57's taped to the doors. I also have a board with every helmet shield type in the city. I will put those up tomorrow. I anticipate 57 will be put into service with the storm coming in next week. Probably as Engine 5XX or as one of the Swiftwater Rescue Teams we had for Irene last year.
 
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