Tower Ladders in the Bronx

turk132 said:
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Dream Dream Dream...if only i had the full lyrics to the song Bro i would serrenade you.... ;) ;) ;D

We in London, sp;it between us and Sudney, have the two busiest fire stations in the world, for calls only, ours is A21 Paddington with about 7,000 calls a year, i think Sydney beats us slightly.

They see about 500 working fires, wearing sets an dancing with the red devil... a very small, pathetically small percentage in comparrison to their overall calls.

If i had money to put on it, and i was asked to put foreward on a house that stretched hose at a fire in a year, i would go with 75/33.

I set myself up to be shot dawn.. ;D

JT
 
Rodent , if you don't believe the Answers you get why ask the questions. They are factual.  If I read your post wrong, I apologize.

Jack O'Reilly
 
Remember that 75/33 have a small response area compaired to 38/51 or 257/170.  Take a look at 225/107 also.  With out adding a new fire house in Bklyn, 290/103 will alway be on top or close to it! 
 
JOR176 said:
Rodent , if you don't believe the Answers you get why ask the questions. They are factual.  If I read your post wrong, I apologize.

Jack O'Reilly
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Humour my friend, humour, based on debatable intelligance provoking conversations. Inviting and prompting others to a debate, converse. Inviting one or more persons to partake in an opposing or differtential conversation that promotes views and perspectives, intelligence and thought provoking ideas and points of view on a given subject, whether it be material or theoretical or hypothetical.

Enjoy your evening.

JT
 
How is that humor? ??? You asked a question, got the answer, and seam to not want to believe the answer given?  ???
 
I know for a fact that TL 157 does not get 714 working structure fires.

Any FDNY Buff worth his salt knows that those kinds of numbers just do not exist any more.

OSW includes an call where a company conducts duties or work within a structure that is occupied, it does not mean a fire.

JT
 
Rodent251 said:
Who is the busiest 75 footer in the FDNY then for Runs and OSW?? With the ratio of Ladders to Engines in Brooklyn, some of those trucks run aorund all day and all night long, are there any active good 75ft tower ladders on the Bronx??

JT
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Every Ladder company, for that matter, in The Bronx is "Good"!   As is Every Engine in The Bronx!!!  

And how do you know what every single call is that companies go on???????????
 
I'm going to go with Bob on this one. I have worked a good chunk of my career in the Bronx, both as a Dispatcher, and a Boss. One word keeps coming to mind, Gentlemen. I'm not sure how the numbers are broken down, but OSW's count for more than just 10-75's etc. Workers can be anything where a company operated, including a 92, if memory serves me right.
 
originally i asked if anyone knows where the good towers are, and a message or suggestion was posted that stated a Tower Ladder in Brooklyn did over 700 working fires, when we all know that OSW does not mean working fires, it means any operation or work carried out by a company within an occupied structural worker, it doesnt necassarilly mean a fire.

i was asking those in the know what TL, as this thread is about TL,s have a high fire load, thats it.

JT
 
It does mean a fire, just not your idea of a "working fire". Could be relatively minor but it is still classified as a fire. Good enough for me because you know the bean counters are watching.
 
Rodent251 said:
I know for a fact that TL 157 does not get 714 working structure fires.

Any FDNY Buff worth his salt knows that those kinds of numbers just do not exist any more.

JT
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Rodent, If you don't mind me asking, what qualifies you to make a statement like that?? There are some posters on this forum that have been living and buffing in NYC for probably longer than you have been on earth, so how about giving the forum some insight into your particular pedigree so as to qualify your statements. I myself started buffing in 1952 at the age of 10, retired from FDNY Communications in 2004 and buffed the entire time,except for my service to my Country when I was
overseas for two yrs in the Far East (RVN & Korea)

Jack O'Reilly
 
JOR176 said:
Rodent251 said:
I know for a fact that TL 157 does not get 714 working structure fires.

Any FDNY Buff worth his salt knows that those kinds of numbers just do not exist any more.

JT
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Rodent, If you don't mind me asking, what qualifies you to make a statement like that?? There are some posters on this forum that have been living and buffing in NYC for probably longer than you have been on earth, so how about giving the forum some insight into your particular pedigree so as to qualify your statements. I myself started buffing in 1952 at the age of 10, retired from FDNY Communications in 2004 and buffed the entire time,except for my service to my Country when I was
overseas for two yrs in the Far East (RVN & Korea)

Jack O'Reilly
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No its fine, the statement i made about there just not been those kinds of fires done by any single companies any more, and that numbers can be missleading, is where i have been pulled up years ago, when i thought that OSW meant that the company actually operated at that number of fires, takinf TL157 as an example, 714 OSW, to me years ago meant that TL157 attended 714 10-75's or greater, and was told and informed and corrected by numerous people, from FDNY Dispatchers and seasoned BUFFS like yourself, that OSW numbers are not a true reflection when looking at how many 10-5s or fires a company operates at. Having said that, i trawled through the Brooklyn workers thread so far this year, and obviously 'not all fires are reported' here, but the ones that have been caught on here, TL157 has operated at 5 working fires, possibly more, and we are only in the third week of 2011...so obviously i am wrong going by that!!!

JT
 
Rodent251  check this web page

www.fdnewyork.com    and scroll down the left side of the page to RUNS & WORKERS.  That should put this to rest

JOR
 
WOW!  There is some rampant mis-information here.

One thing that EVERYONE needs to understand right away is: OSW is a useless number. USELESS.  Runs and workers are pretty much useless too.  If you can, and I don't know that you can, you have to read the MIRS report to get a real breakdown of what kind of responses a company is doing. 

The key stat?  "All-Hands Fires" and "2nd Alarms and Greater".  It also breaks down our EMS runs ect.

You also have to factor in how big a company's first and second due response area is. 

An OSW is given every time we operate at an odor of smoke or a sparking outlet.  Rubbish in the hallway? OSW.  There are a lot of company's out there with 400+ OSWs and the same number of 10-75 responses as a company with 200 OSWs.
 
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