Tower Ladders in the Bronx

[londonfireguy]

WOW!  There is some rampant mis-information here.

One thing that EVERYONE needs to understand right away is: OSW is a useless number. USELESS.  Runs and workers are pretty much useless too.  If you can, and I don't know that you can, you have to read the MIRS report to get a real breakdown of what kind of responses a company is doing. 

The key stat?  "All-Hands Fires" and "2nd Alarms and Greater".  It also breaks down our EMS runs ect.

You also have to factor in how big a company's first and second due response area is. 

Thats the info i had,  just what was said in the baove post.  and i was asking, maybe not worded correctly, is it possible to decipher from the stats just who actually does see quality working fires, on a regular basis, i am aware that the Runs and Workers can be somewhat missleading and open to interpretation.

I also am aware that FDNY has good, hard working, high quality firefighters operating in first class dedicated and proffesional companies, and would under no circumstances question that, or even hear of it been questioned.

I look forewards to coming back to NYC in september to do this years Tunnel To Towers Run.

JT

An OSW is given every time we operate at an odor of smoke or a sparking outlet.  Rubbish in the hallway? OSW.  There are a lot of company's out there with 400+ OSWs and the same number of 10-75 responses as a company with 200 OSWs.

 

[blzdp]

I dont think OSWs are useless #s they are a good indication of a companys activity , not necessarily the amount of actual fire duty that they are doing. For truck co.s usually co with tower ladders and co with a lot of housing projects are toward the top. A tower ladder might be 5th due on a 3rd alarm but will get more work time because they operated  the bucket for 5 hrs dumping water on a bldg.  The first due truck which was a rear mount or tilller  might have been cut loose after 2 hrs. As far as having a lot of projects, these co.s are gaining hrs. for food on the stove and rubbish in the hallway everyday of the week.  When you look at the hrs they appear to be doing alot of fire duty. Look at the mirs #s it will give you a better picture of whos doing actual "work" Just a thought

 

[JohnnyBopp]

I dont think OSWs are useless #s they are a good indication of a companys activity , not necessarily the amount of actual fire duty that they are doing. For truck co.s usually co with tower ladders and co with a lot of housing projects are toward the top. A tower ladder might be 5th due on a 3rd alarm but will get more work time because they operated  the bucket for 5 hrs dumping water on a bldg.  The first due truck which was a rear mount or tilller  might have been cut loose after 2 hrs. As far as having a lot of projects, these co.s are gaining hrs. for food on the stove and rubbish in the hallway everyday of the week.  When you look at the hrs they appear to be doing alot of fire duty. Look at the mirs #s it will give you a better picture of whos doing actual "work" Just a thought

Couple things....first off, OSWs are not a good indication of anything.  That's not a topic for debate, that's what any of us on the job will tell you.  How long a company operates at a box does not factor into OSW.  While a tower ladder might operate for a long time at a multiple, they don't just cut the first due truck loose.  They might not need the stick, but they needed the men to FE and search. 

I'm not sure if you read above, but I recommended MIRS #s, however they're not readily available. 

 

[blzdp]

I disagree bopp but your entitled to your opinion.

 

[chiefblackcloud]

I dont think OSWs are useless #s they are a good indication of a companys activity , not necessarily the amount of actual fire duty that they are doing. For truck co.s usually co with tower ladders and co with a lot of housing projects are toward the top. A tower ladder might be 5th due on a 3rd alarm but will get more work time because they operated  the bucket for 5 hrs dumping water on a bldg.  The first due truck which was a rear mount or tilller  might have been cut loose after 2 hrs. As far as having a lot of projects, these co.s are gaining hrs. for food on the stove and rubbish in the hallway everyday of the week.  When you look at the hrs they appear to be doing alot of fire duty. Look at the mirs #s it will give you a better picture of whos doing actual "work" Just a thought

Couple things....first off, OSWs are not a good indication of anything.  That's not a topic for debate, that's what any of us on the job will tell you.  How long a company operates at a box does not factor into OSW.  While a tower ladder might operate for a long time at a multiple, they don't just cut the first due truck loose.  They might not need the stick, but they needed the men to FE and search.  I'm not sure if you read above, but I recommended MIRS #s, however they're not readily available.

HUH ???

 

[JohnnyBopp]

I dont think OSWs are useless #s they are a good indication of a companys activity , not necessarily the amount of actual fire duty that they are doing. For truck co.s usually co with tower ladders and co with a lot of housing projects are toward the top. A tower ladder might be 5th due on a 3rd alarm but will get more work time because they operated  the bucket for 5 hrs dumping water on a bldg.  The first due truck which was a rear mount or tilller  might have been cut loose after 2 hrs. As far as having a lot of projects, these co.s are gaining hrs. for food on the stove and rubbish in the hallway everyday of the week.  When you look at the hrs they appear to be doing alot of fire duty. Look at the mirs #s it will give you a better picture of whos doing actual "work" Just a thought

Couple things....first off, OSWs are not a good indication of anything.  That's not a topic for debate, that's what any of us on the job will tell you.  How long a company operates at a box does not factor into OSW.  While a tower ladder might operate for a long time at a multiple, they don't just cut the first due truck loose.  They might not need the stick, but they needed the men to FE and search.  I'm not sure if you read above, but I recommended MIRS #s, however they're not readily available.

HUH ???

Sorry, I guess that came across a bit convoluted.  To get to the point:  Just because the IC makes a move to a defensive attack, doesn't mean every truck without a tower ladder can take up.  That's all.