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Ret Phila Lieut

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I see when a Bn. Is an ABC people always denote it with an asterisk. My question is this,,,,,if the 1st in Bn is an ABC on a 10-75 is he still calling the shots even after the 2nd due chief arrives.
 
Ret Phila Lieut said:
I see when a Bn. Is an ABC people always denote it with an asterisk. My question is this,,,,,if the 1st in Bn is an ABC on a 10-75 is he still calling the shots even after the 2nd due chief arrives.
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From what I recall, 2nd due battalion usually takes over, probably 95% of the time, if they arnt also a ABC, and the ABC usually goes and does fire sector stuff.

Brooklyn 10-75 Box 194 had BC35 second due as the ABC, but the 45 transferred command after the under control although the 45 remains on scene with them until I think about 5 hours after the Under Control when they finally got the last couple of hot spots dealt with.
 
ABC's are first chosen from a CPT on a current BC Promo list & if none in the DV then a Senior CPT from the DV the open BN is in.

The most current policy on ABC's in the FDNY is at a Working Fire if the ABC is 1st Due BC he is the IC until the 2nd Due BC arrives who then becomes the IC.....smoke & mirrors lets save some dollars BS....the ABC can make decisions all day long on issues including running a Fire or Emergency until an actual BC arrives .....if in the eyes of The Job the ABC is only partially capable of being IC then do not have them at all ....open the purse strings & hire a regular BC for that tour.
 
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68jk09 said:
ABC's are first chosen from a CPT on a current BC Promo list & if none in the DV then a Senior CPT from the DV the open BN is in.

The most current policy on ABC's in the FDNY is at a Working Fire if the ABC is 1st Due BC he is the IC until the 2nd Due BC arrives who then becomes the IC.....smoke & mirrors lets save some dollars BS....the ABC can make decisions all day long on issues including running a Fire or Emergency until an actual BC arrives .....if in the eyes of The Job the ABC is only partially capable of being IC then do not have them at all ....open the purse strings & hire a regular BC for that tour.
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I totally agree,,,if your in the car then you should know what your doing until at least a D.C. assumes command. (Just my personal opinion)
 
Seems to me that if rank by promotion means anything, Then the ABC needs to grab his mask and get up to the point of attack where he works every day.

Would Battalion Chief George Patton let Acting Battalion Chief Beetle Bailey run the show?
 
I would take a senior Captain who has the fire experience than some of the new BC’s who have flown up the ranks with little experience in each rank. Remember Captains recently couldn’t take promotion to Chief because they had less than 2 years in Captains rank.
 
mac8146 said:
I would take a senior Captain who has the fire experience than some of the new BC’s who have flown up the ranks with little experience in each rank. Remember Captains recently couldn’t take promotion to Chief because they had less than 2 years in Captains rank.
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I remember being ABC within the first year of being promoted to Captain. It is a completely different feeling being outside the building or incident than leading your company. It’s like watching a game from the stands rather than being in the game.
 
The latest policy, as of this past October-

1st to arrive ABC is the IC until an actual BC shows up. Then the ABC becomes the Fire Sector, the BC becomes the IC.

However,

"Deviation from this policy is permissible at the discretion of the BC after an evaluation of the present conditions."
 
JohnnyGage said:
If the act BC is a Captain, he has little experience in the role of a BC, two completely different functions.
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I have to disagree,,lets say your the ABC on Monday and you happen to get promoted to B.C. Tuesday,,,does that all of a sudden make you more capable to perform your duty. You shouldn't be an ABC unless you know what the role entails.
 
Well that wouldn't happen because when you get promoted, you go complete BC training for a few weeks. And yes, as people have already mentioned above, that is why an ABC is usually one of the senior captains in the division or someone on the BC list.
 
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