My younger Buff years

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I would like to thank all the contributors to this thread.  There are many great stories and memories which are part of the great history of FDNY.  I was fortunate to be able to spend a lot of time riding with my dad from the late 60's thru his retirement in the mid-80's.  I will always admire the terrific firefighters I saw - in all 5 boros.  Since my son is on the job now, I share with him the many changes that have occurred in a job which, ironically, really has not changed.

My memories start (1950's when my dad came on the job) with visits to firehouses where the rigs were all red, open cabs, bells on the front bumpers, all black rubber or canvas turnout coats, boots rolled down and placed next to each rig, housewatch desks with all response boxes on the wall color-coded (E/T/C) for 1st/2nd/3rd due.  There was always a great smell coming from the kitchen in days where there were no fast food, prepared Ragu sauce and microwave ovens.  There were no company tees.  Guys wore heavy dark cotton uniform pants and plain blue shirts.  No patches.  In the summer, chiefs OKed responses in white tee shirts and it was not infrequent to see turnout coats fall off the rig on runs.  Everyone worked two days shifts and then 2 night shifts with 48 or 72 hours between days and nights.  Many engines had a second piece.  Subway-type handle grips were used by the guys on the back step.  Some ladders still used wooden aerials.  Chiefs had plain red cars with a bubble light and a bell.  No one wore masks.  There were still beautiful old Ahrens Fox pumpers along with Ward LaFrance, ALF and the standard bearer - Mack pumpers.  Hose wagons still existed. Deck pipes were mounted behind cabs.  Spare rigs from World War II vintage could be heard with whistles that had replace sirens during the war. Scaling ladders were carried, though never used.  Engines had all nozzles and fittings visibly mounted around the rig.  No one had individual radios.  Bells turned out everyone.  When they tapped in, everyone stopped what they were doing and counted - until the numbers were recognized as those belonging to some other unit.  There were no computers.  Guys played cards and watched TV together to pass the time.  Alarm boxes had to be rewound by FDNY keys. There were no medical runs, except when someone pulled a box when stabbed or shot.  Doors were left open during runs. Many houses were built by the old volunteer companies or the Brooklyn Fire Department and many were single company houses.  Ladders were wooden and heavy.  Life nets were practiced with.  There was no CIDS information available.  There were many more manufacturing facilities, non-sprinklered buildings, fewer automatic alarm systems and smoke detectors.  There were no cell phones so units rarely knew what they had until they turned down the address block.  No one could recognize that the "War Years" would follow.  The job was tough and dangerous then, as it still is.

The 60's, 70's and 80's have been described by many in this forum with great memories and anecdotes.  The Superpumper, Adaptive Response, 2nd sections, DRBs, TCUs, the strike, tower ladders, combination fire companies, 2 field comms....etc. Units were doing 4000 runs and never made the top of FDNY runs and worker lists.  The personal accounts, books, films and memories of this era are fascinating and unbelieveable.

Today's firefighters still work the best job in the world as well as one of the most demanding, dangerous and selfless occupations. 

Sorry for my rambling memories but this thread shares brings back more than historical tales.  It also highlights individual heroes, many of whom were family and friends.  Thanks again.     
 
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"Mack", did you tell a "GREAT STORY" or What ! ! ! It is what the Fire Dept was all about for about 40 - 50 years all wrapped up into your Great Words. I can relate to each word and sentence. During those days, my father was also on the job, but in Bridgeport, Ct. Every word you spoke brings back memories to me, and a Great time to be a young kid with dreams of becoming a fireman.
  You must be very proud of your son being on the job. Yes there"s been many, many changes since those older days. I don"t think we"ll ever see another "War Years". A lot of people got hurt or died because of it. But there will still be fires to fight. We had never lost 343 firefighters at one major incident. We had never been attacked by people who wanted to destroy us. Today we face that problem. Your son, and all the Firefighters out there today have my "Highest Respect" for what they do.
  Yes the job has really changed since the 50s, 60s, and 70s, even the 80s. I"m sure glad I was around to be a part of it. But with all that change, we still have today"s Firefighters risking their lives to save lives.
  As "G-man" said earlier, I certainly hope we will continue with this. I"m sure there"s alot more stories to tell. But Mack, you did a pretty good job of wrapping it all up into one package. Thank You Mr Mack ! ! !
 
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Joined the FDNY 3/60, retired 1/97. The five most important improvements I experienced during my years were Ladders 3, power saws, HT unit assignment, 1 3/4" hose and tower ladders. The war years began around 1965, tower ladders came into the job 66 or 67 I believe. Without the towers, during the war it would have been a very different story, the good Lord knew what was needed.
 
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I remember talking to a member of FDNY shortly after those busy years. He said "if it wasn"t for those Tower Ladders, we probadly would have lost the entire Bronx". I also remember when the ! 3/4" hose came in. Prior to that it was all 2 1/2" and 1 1/2" hose. I have to guess that FDNY was probadly the first dept to use the 1 3/4" hose. That was also when The Rapid Water system came into play. But that had its problems. I think its fair to say that most depts use 1 3/4 " hose as interior attack lines these days. And the power saws and Handie Talkies improved the job so much too. Funny, but as a Buff (not as a fireman), it seems that my buddies and I discussed the same improvements as being Great. On the other side of the coin, we really weren"t too keen on those Lime Green Engines, except it was still the FDNY. And we really weren"t too happy about the new bunker geer, and later on MDTs. Although, all have been some very good improvements. Oh yea, we liked the old system of bells in the firehouse, then later the Voice Alarm. But as far as doing the actual job, the former Capt of Engine 82 is absolutely correct. Thank You.
 
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More pictures have been added to "Harlem and The Bronx pictures from the early 80s. These photos were all taken by Michael Dick. It appears the last two were from the Huge Con Ed Explosion from around 138th St, which was discussed earlier in this thread. I believe you"ll see the huge fireball behind two city buses. The other photos are all Great too. Thanks Mike for letting this be passed on. Now, I hope I get this right. Try this : http://fdnysbravest.com
 
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nfd2004 said:
More pictures have been added to "Harlem and The Bronx pictures from the early 80s. These photos were all taken by Michael Dick. It appears the last two were from the Huge Con Ed Explosion from around 138th St, which was discussed earlier in this thread. I believe you"ll see the huge fireball behind two city buses. The other photos are all Great too. Thanks Mike for letting this be passed on. Now, I hope I get this right. Try this :   http://fdnysbravest.com     

These these are the photos that started the HI EX Foam discussion.
 
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Yes KFD274, you are correct. These photos did start the discussion of the Hi-Ex Foam Unit. But, what I was referring to was the pictures that had the Huge Con Ed Explosion with that massive fireball. It occurred on Locust and 134 St in the Bronx. It was mentioned on page 10 of this thread. G-man gave us the info and then we talked about it somewhat. I just wanted to point out that the last two of these most recent photos were taken at that incident. It it is really quite impressive.
  The way things are going with these stories, maybe the MAND Library at "The Rock" should pick up on it. Alot of FDNY history right here.
 
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nfd2004 said:
Yes KFD274, you are correct. These photos did start the discussion of the Hi-Ex Foam Unit. But, what I was referring to was the pictures that had the Huge Con Ed Explosion with that massive fireball. It occurred on Locust and 134 St in the Bronx. It was mentioned on page 10 of this thread. G-man gave us the info and then we talked about it somewhat. I just wanted to point out that the last two of these most recent photos were taken at that incident. It it is really quite impressive.
   The way things are going with these stories, maybe the MAND Library at "The Rock" should pick up on it. Alot of FDNY history right here.

Thanks nfd
 
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  Then in 1975 or 1976, the "Entire Country" got to see for themselves what firefighters and buffs already knew. As people watched their TVs the World Series was being played from Yankee Staduim. While the fans were cheering on Regie Jackson, the FDNY was doing what they had been doing every night. That was putting out fires in the South Bronx and other neighborhoods throughout the City. Only this time it was in the area of Yankee Stadium, and the TV cameras focused in on it between plays. Sports Announcer, the Late Howard Cosell, not only talked about the Series Game, but also how the Bronx was burning. I believe the fire went to a Fourth Alarm, and the next day everybody from NY to LA was talking about the Game, "AND" "The Fire". America had now witnessed for themselves, what really was going on in "The Arson Capital of the World". And by the way, "I do believe the Yankees won".

I believe that was in '77 or '78; Reggie Jackson was in Oakland in '75, Baltimore in '76 and was traded to Yankees in '77. Great stories!

Did 82 Engine have a bigger house in the 60's/70's? In Smith's book, he said there were 2 engines (82 & 85) and a Ladder (31) plus a TCU (whatever that is)?
 
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They firehouse was the same size but they managed to squeeze 2 pumpers (E82 & E85) a chief's car, a rearmount TCU ladder and L31's ALF tiller. BTW, I posted information on that big World Series fire at Melrose & 158 at the begining of this thread. ;)
 
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  That was on Wednesday, Oct. 12th, 1977, a 5th Alarmer seen worldwide on ABC Sports. The fire building was the old PS 3 school building which was a  large 400 x 200 4 story vacant school built in 1890. E71 responded to an ERS box at 1917hrs then 3 minutes later Box 2310-Melrose & 158 was sent, followed by a 7-5 and it progressed all all the way up to a 5th alarm at 2151hrs, 2 hours later. The Super Pumper and 2 additional tower ladders were also called in. 
 
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And, Kick, a TCU was a Tactical Control Unit; a ladder company that was manned only part time, during the peak fire activity hours.
 
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guitarman314 said:
They firehouse was the same size but they managed to squeeze 2 pumpers (E82 & E85) a chief's car, a rearmount TCU ladder and L31's ALF tiller. BTW, I posted information on that big World Series fire at Melrose & 158 at the beginning of this thread. ;)


  For Mr Kick A**Blaster, Just to add to G-man, I believe that the TCU Ladder was kept at Eng 43s Quarters during off hours, and then when manned from 3 PM - 12 Mid, they spent their time at Eng 82s House. There was No Ladder 59 at that time. I believe that was mentioned earlier in this thread ???. And don"t forget, in those days with 9,000 - 10,000 runs for these units, it was very seldom that all units were in quarters. As I remember from hanging out at Angie"s Market across the street from 82s, the TCU very seldom backed into quarters. Or one of the other rigs would be outside. It wasn"t 30 minutes before the house bells went off, and one of those rigs went on a run. "Don"t forget, We are talking the War Years". It was a different time. A Historic Time.
 
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Also for Mr. KickA**Blaster...If you go to the General Discussion section of this forum and sort the topics by member, you'll find Grumpy Grizzly started a topic called "Engine 82 During the War Years".  It had a detailed response in there about how the rigs were arranged.  It's also a pretty cool thread overall.
 
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 Another, crowded firehouse during the "War Years" that didn't get noticed as much was my neighborhood firehouse: E60/L17/Bc14 house. At one time they had E60(1969-70 Mack), Bc14-1, Bc14-2(later Bc26), L17-2(1970 (Sgr rm) all in the west bay and  L17-1 (1968 ALF tiller) in the east bay. And let's not forget the "Fire Factory" that had E58, Bc25, L26-1(1968 ALF tiller) and L26-2(1953 ALF tiller) all operating 24/7.
 
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raybrag said:
And, Kick, a TCU was a Tactical Control Unit; a ladder company that was manned only part time, during the peak fire activity hours.

There were also TCU (Tactical Control Unit) Engine Co's which were designated by a '500' series number. The 'TCU's' were on duty when 'Adaptive Response' was in effect; which I think was 1500 - 2400 hours. Each day at 1500 hours the telegraph signal 4-4-4-2-1 was sent out to place 'Adaptive Response' into effect.
 
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Don't forget:
Brooklyn's Watkins Street House...E-231, E-232, L-120, BC-44-1 & BC-44-2
Sheffield Avenue...E-290, L-103-1 & L-103-2
 
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When I first started buffing and right around the time that I got my First ride with Rescue 2 back around 1968, a normal full assignment would be Three Engines, Two Ladders, A Chief, and maybe a Squad Co (manpower unit) or a Rescue. And that was even on a pull box. I could remember counting the rigs. I remember seeing E219/L105, E207/L110 and of course E210 and the Rescue, and 31 Batt. on some of those pull boxes. As things got much busier over the next few years, the response was changed to Two engines, Two Ladders and the Chief. If the Communications Office had numerous calls, then a Third Engine would respond. The work continued to pick up. And that brought in the Adaptive Response System of two Engines and one Ladder responding with a Chief. If it was work, they got 3/2 plus a Rescue, and a Squad. (you can read about the Squads of those days on another Thread of this Site in History). But quite often due to heavy fire activity, it wasn"t always possible to get that response. Sometimes you"d see One Engine and a Tower Ladder knocking down a Fully involved Vacant 5 or 6 Brick by themselves. "It was Unbelievable, but it wasn"t Unusual". There just weren"t enough companies to handle the heavy workload. And that was with all the Second Section Companies, Squads, and 2 TCU Engines, and 2 TCU Ladders.
  Then it was decided in order to get more units, only one Engine would respond to a Pull Box. Also, ERS Boxes were replacing Pull Boxes. It was hoped that because the caller was now supposed to talk to the dispatcher, that would cut down on the 10-92s. As we know now, it didn"t. And in between all this were those fire dispatchers who had to answer and send out all these calls with no computers. And this went on every day. The only comparison to it were those Busy Fourth of July"s in the 80s and 90s.
 
 
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Yes 82/31 was "La Casa Grande". ( That"s Polish meaning The Big House). I could be wrong, but I think "La Casa Caca" was maybe Eng 53 and Lad. 43 in Spanish Harlem  ???
 And "1261 Truckie", who could ever forget those Busy Brooklyn outfits, out there in far away Brownsville. I can assure you, and everybody else, that the 44 section 1, 44 section 2, 231, 232, 120 and 290, 103-1 and 103-2 caught their share of fires. Thats why there were two Battalions in the same firehouse, and two ladder trucks in the same one. That way when one was out, the other could respond to another call.
 
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