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Grump, it could be conceived that way, however as is said, many hands make light work. You'll also note that these "combo" companies did not exist long.
grumpy grizzly said:Just do not understand the concept of Combined Fire Companies. If one goes they both go, so if the run only requires the use of one company the other sits idely by.
JohnnyGage said:grumpy grizzly said:Just do not understand the concept of Combined Fire Companies. If one goes they both go, so if the run only requires the use of one company the other sits idely by.
The concept is still used in LAFD. One officer, usually a Captain is responsible for his crew, and the two pieces of apparatus, a pumper and tiller, the crew is divided between the pieces. Usually the Captain, LCC, tillerman and one firefighter on the ladder, followed by the "wagon" (engine) with just the MPO. They call it a Light Task Force, the concept is with both pieces they can handle most calls. Add a third piece, another engine (which they call a pumper) with just a driver, and LAFD refers to this as a "Task Force". A light task force and a task force has all their pieces in their respective firehouse. Instead of two (or three) individual companies, the companies are condensed into one. LAFD also has single engine companies that respond with a full crew by themselves, or respond special called with a light task force.
grumpy grizzly said:Just do not understand the concept of Combined Fire Companies. If one goes they both go, so if the run only requires the use of one company the other sits idely by.
JohnnyGage said:grumpy grizzly said:Just do not understand the concept of Combined Fire Companies. If one goes they both go, so if the run only requires the use of one company the other sits idely by.
When I was a fireman in Washington DC we had a combination system. The Rescue Company also had an engine, if a box came in first due in the Rescue response area, the guys jumped ship from Rescue and responded on the engine. The next assigned rescue became first due. The troops left their gear in the middle of the floor between the different pieces. All four rescue companies operated like that back then. Kookie.
JohnnyGage said:grumpy grizzly said:Just do not understand the concept of Combined Fire Companies. If one goes they both go, so if the run only requires the use of one company the other sits idely by.
The concept is still used in LAFD. One officer, usually a Captain is responsible for his crew, and the two pieces of apparatus, a pumper and tiller, the crew is divided between the pieces. Usually the Captain, LCC, tillerman and one firefighter on the ladder, followed by the "wagon" (engine) with just the MPO. They call it a Light Task Force, the concept is with both pieces they can handle most calls. Add a third piece, another engine (which they call a pumper) with just a driver, and LAFD refers to this as a "Task Force". A light task force and a task force has all their pieces in their respective firehouse. Instead of two (or three) individual companies, the companies are condensed into one. LAFD also has single engine companies that respond with a full crew by themselves, or respond special called with a light task force.
When I was a fireman in Washington DC we had a combination system. The Rescue Company also had an engine, if a box came in first due in the Rescue response area, the guys jumped ship from Rescue and responded on the engine. The next assigned rescue became first due. The troops left their gear in the middle of the floor between the different pieces. All four rescue companies operated like that back then. Kookie.
mack said:One of the city departments in my area staffs an engine and the city's heavy rescue with the same crew. When they respond as an engine for a minor incident or medical run, the rescue cannot respond and they depend upon mutual aid for a heavy rescue, if required. Availability is obviously a concern, but so are details when non-rescue members are detailed in to cover, which happens frequently.
HCO said:Five 2015 Freightliner/Seagrave 1500 gallon ?foam tankers? are in service replacing the ten former ?foam carriers.? Each has a backup transport (in parentheses): Engines 96 (73), 152 (161), 167 (162), 247 (321), 260 (299). The 3000 gallon 1992 Mack/Saulsbury foam tender is at E-238, backup is E-325.
Each of 19 foam depots has 50 five-gallon cans of AR-AFFF, five cans of Hi-Ex, and smaller quantities of AFFF. Five depots (Engines 96, 152, 238, 260, and 321) have, in addition, variable numbers of 55-gallon AR-AFFF drums and 25 GPM electric pumps for refilling tankers.
grumpy grizzly said:Depots are at: Manhattan E 1-5-9-95, Bx 72 and 96, SI 152, 154, 158, 167, Bkn 206, 207, 238, 284, 321, andQuens 260, 262, 294, 324. Info from Ops Ref, edit if needed please.
fdhistorian said:Brooklyn
Division 6 Organized 365 Jay St 1898 former Brooklyn FD Headquarters
Division 6 Disbanded to organize Division 10 on Staten Island 1905
Staten Island
Division 10 Organized 1189 Castleton Ave 1905 with Ladder 104 Staten Island
Division 10 Renumbered as Division 6 1906
Brooklyn
Division 10 Reorganized 365 Jay St 1906 with Ladder 68, former Division 6
Division 10 Disbanded 1922
Division 10 Reorganized 395 4th Ave 1930 with Engine 239
Division 10 Disbanded 1948
Division 10 Reorganized 365 Jay St 1951 with Engine 207 Brooklyn
Division 10 Relocated 395 4th Ave 1951 with Engine 239
Division 10 Disbanded to reorganize Division 8 1990
fdhistorian said:Brooklyn's Battalion 36 served the Greenpoint neighborhood. Having lost many of its companies (Engine 212, Engine 215, Marine Engine 232, and Squad 7), it was absorbed into the 35th Battalion (which had lost Engine 213). The Greenpoint and Williamsburg neighborhoods have lost two battalions, the 34th and the 36th.
District Engineer 6 Brooklyn FD
Organized 136 Wythe Ave 1869 with Brooklyn FD Engine 12
Relocated 712 Driggs Ave 1895
Relocated 176 Norman Ave 1896 with Brooklyn FD Engine 38
Annexed as Battalion 6 FDNY Brooklyn 1898
Battalion 6 FDNY Brooklyn
Organized 176 Norman Ave 1898 with Engine 38
Renumbered as Battalion 26 1898
Battalion 26 Brooklyn (Bronx Battalion 26 was profiled earlier in this thread topic)
Organized 176 Norman Ave, Brooklyn 1898 with Engine 38
Renumbered as Battalion 36 1906
Battalion 36 Brooklyn (original Battalion 36 was in Queens and became Battalion 46)
Reorganized 176 Norman Ave 1906 with Engine 138
New Station 205 Greenpoint Ave 1972 with Ladder 106
Disbanded 1975
fdhistorian said:Battalion 60 was a War Years unit established to provide additional Battalion Chief response availability in Bushwick's 37th Battalion area. It was quartered with Engine 218 but it was not permanently assigned any companies.
Battalion 60 Organized 650 Hart St, Brooklyn 1970
Battalion 60 Disbanded 1975
fdhistorian said:Battalion 30 was in service briefly at the turn of the last century as the Brooklyn Fire Department merged with the FDNY.
Brooklyn FD
District Engineer 10 BFD Organized 633 4th Ave, Brooklyn 1892 with BFD Ladder 9
District Engineer 10 BFD Relocated 532 11th St, Brooklyn 1895 with BFD Engine 20
District Engineer 10 BFD Relocated 436 39th St, Brooklyn 1896 with BFD Engine 28
District Engineer 10 BFD Annexed as Battalion 10 FDNY Brooklyn 1898
FDNY Brooklyn
Battalion 10 FDNY Brooklyn Organized 436 39th St, Brooklyn 1898 with Engine 28 FDNY Brooklyn
Battalion 10 FDNY Brooklyn Renumbered as Battalion 30 1898